My Plan - help please?

dr_chris · Post by **dr_chris** » 23 May 2006, 13:25

Arnos Grove to High Barnet? Interesting...

Seems a little time-consuming to me - have you considered the old favourite of Oakwood-High Barnet?

Oh, and yes - I would strongly recommend trying to rework the north Northern Line sections earlier in the day - personally I wouldn't want to be up here contesting with a post 21.00 bus timetable...

standclearofthedoors · Post by **standclearofthedoors** » 23 May 2006, 15:54

The 34 is a far more reliable bus then the 307. I'd say it does Arnos- Barnet quicker then a 307 would do Oakwood-Barnet but there's too much doubling back to make it worthwhile. Perhaps Arnos- T&W would give you an even quicker time if you stood by the 34.

EDIT: And the 251- so they are far more frequent.

Post by **tangy** » 23 May 2006, 21:00

Route 251 is every 15 minutes from Arnos Grove during the day, but only every half hour (00 and 30 past) after the 1930 ex Arnos Grove.

Timetable here: http://www.londonbusroutes.net/times/251.htm
Route 34: http://www.londonbusroutes.net/times/034.htm
Route 307: http://uk.geocities.com/busroutes/timet ... ute307.htm

If you want to view/print full timetables of any London bus route, may I point you to the excellent http://www.londonbusroutes.net/routes.htm timetables can be found by clicking on the route number in the route list. These are in the same format as the links above, which actaully give you times between certain stops (not this stop-specific stuff TfL is progressively rolling out which isn't very good!)

petermiller36 · Post by **petermiller36** » 23 May 2006, 22:45

Theres help and then theres planning someones route for them. I'm all for sharing experiences but I think a huge part of the record is the route itself. What happened to the good old days of doing the research yourself and actually going to Kens Olympia to write down the timetable? Just a thought...

BTW im actually having a good day, it may seem that im moaning, but im not. love you all (but not that in way Root!)

Post by **tubeguru** » 23 May 2006, 22:58

It seems Peter is on the same wavelength as me.

We may as well put a list of routes up and say "pick one and see if you can get the record".

As he said somewhere else earlier, this site is all very well for talking about your attempts, but I feel people have been too free with their information.

There are no secrets to the full 275 any more. The fun's slowly being squeezed out of the whole thing. It's becoming too formulaic.

petermiller36 · Post by **petermiller36** » 23 May 2006, 23:10

total agreement. Im 22 and feel like an 80 year old moaning at the youth of today. but it is true, research it yourself.

TheFatBuoy · Post by **TheFatBuoy** » 23 May 2006, 23:12

tubeguru wrote:It seems Peter is on the same wavelength as me.

We may as well put a list of routes up and say "pick one and see if you can get the record".

As he said somewhere else earlier, this site is all very well for talking about your attempts, but I feel people have been too free with their information.

There are no secrets to the full 275 any more. The fun's slowly being squeezed out of the whole thing. It's becoming too formulaic.

I blame Hakan and all that processing power

Post by **tubeguru** » 23 May 2006, 23:19

No need to pass off your "moaning". I do enough of it in real life all the time.

Where's the sense of achievement in just copying everyone else? And why are we all giving away the secrets so freely on here?

I've got half a mind to ban such things. Work it out yourselves! It's not hard. Well, not now anyway.

Anyone who comes on here and asks for help is pushing their luck in my own humble opinion. With a world record at stake we should all be keeping quiet and only giving advice on how to PLAN it, not how to DO it.

Isn't that the whole point of doing this? To get our name in the book, to get an ego trip, to feel important? Don't lie to yourselves - you all want it. I'll want it again when someone beats the record. I want it for as long as possible now.

Time for a rethink folks.

Root · Post by **Root** » 24 May 2006, 00:00

Geoff didn't seem to think so on the "How To Do It" page of Tube Relief, but I understand the reasoning behind that - it's just giving the basics. I wouldn't give anything beyond that, although perhaps looking back at my last post I may have done so slightly. There is still a lot of planning, practice and experimentation required in any serious effort, but you have a point.

There is an inherent problem with the way we help each other. An example:

Person A does Tube Challenge, invites person B
Persons A & B share info & tips
Person B does Tube Challenge, invites person C
Persons B & C share info & tips

Thus person C picks up knowledge of person A, and there are less and less secrets. The only upside is that any nugget of information, any fantastic discovery will be worth even more.

I have to admit, I may have given and received some information, in the name of helping another challenger and enjoying a sense of community and comradeship. I think I'll have to review that now. Pete, Neil, the two of you have hit a lot of home truths with me today, so thanks.

TheFatBuoy · Post by **TheFatBuoy** » 24 May 2006, 09:05

Root wrote:Geoff didn't seem to think so on the "How To Do It" page of Tube Relief, but I understand the reasoning behind that - it's just giving the basics.

That was exactly it - he wasn't giving away any deep dark secrets, and I've spend far more time than is healthy trying to work out alternative routes to the fairly obvious routes Geoff pointed out on that page - often it works out that they are the best, but regardless Ive had a bloody good look at an A-Z (I'd heartily recommend buying memory-map navigator with the London A-Z mapping, from the A-Z map company - it's about Ã‚Â£35 and absolutely superb for tube challenging, and other uses too, works with GPS etc etc) to try and see other possibilities, and downloaded the London Connections map (which can be potentially very useful) and looked on all sorts of other resources, in order to try and do better.

In fact, I reckon if someone put together a *comprehensive* database of all the overground trains and buses in the relevant Greater London areas, along with reliability statistics etc etc, it'd quite possibly be possible to get an even better time. Granted, it'd take absolutely ages to do it really well, but it'd be good.

Root wrote:Thus person C picks up knowledge of person A, and there are less and less secrets. The only upside is that any nugget of information, any fantastic discovery will be worth even more.

Aye - good point.

Root wrote:I have to admit, I may have given and received some information, in the name of helping another challenger and enjoying a sense of community and comradeship.

I think the trick is for people to work out possible solutions themselves, and then ask more experienced challengers specific questions based on their experience, like how reliable certain buses are - is such and such walk a real bitch to do, etc etc, rather than generic questions like "could you give me a comprehensively drawn-up list of all the bits on the way out map that are wrong?" or "what's the best way to do all the lines North of the Circle line?".

petermiller36 · Post by **petermiller36** » 24 May 2006, 10:20

I think thats a good shout FatBouy. Plan the route and then get advise on that route. But i'd still recommend practisicising parts of the route as opposed to taking someones word for it. Think of it like this though... if someone says "in my route ive got a run planned from Station A to Station P, is it a good one?" and broadcasts that on the net then everyone knows it then. hmmm a tough one.

standclearofthedoors · Post by **standclearofthedoors** » 24 May 2006, 10:37

Well who's idea was it to post everyones Z1 route from last year then?

Going Underground · Post by **Going Underground** » 24 May 2006, 12:38

Z1 is not an officially recognised world record....

It is our annual party get together and everyone is discussing their routes in the pub afterwards anyway...

Yes I did look at some routes from last year for some tips (mainly the walks between stations) and had a copy of Hakans winning run from 2005......BUT I had absolutely no intention of using anyone elses route, half of the fun of this thing is planning YOUR own route

I dont see any harm in posting Z1's.....but let the forum decide

juice-rail · Post by **juice-rail** » 24 May 2006, 13:07

Put it this way I have no objection to our route being posted and neither did Ric and Andy

Z1 wouldnt be any fun if everybody kept so quiet.
Maybe sharing routes afterwards should become a condition of taking part.

But hey its only Zone 1 and its all for good fun, so lets see them creative routes

Post by **tubeguru** » 24 May 2006, 13:13

I'm fine with Zone 1 routes being published - just a bit of fun and everyone more or less knows the little tricks by now.

I can reveal that my route started at Sloane Square ...

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