The Definitive (?) Poll

Root · Post by **Root** » 11 Jun 2006, 00:17

I hope this poll can prove definitive and put an end to the discussion, but of course that is up to you. At the very least I hope it can give a consistent guideline to anyone who wants to attempt the now infamous...

BOTTLE CHALLENGE.

So, you are fully aware what the issue is here: Should Marylebone and Edgware Road on the Bakerloo line be deemed inside or outside of the "bottle" that is formed of the Circle line and everything inside it?

The implications are straightforward. If they are deemed to be inside, challengers attempting to do "the bottle" will be required to visit them. Conversely, if they are declared to be outside, then they can be ignored.

I think every possible argument for and against their inclusion has been brought up, so I will give a brief outline of the main points here to avoid the need for them to come up in this thread again.

For their inclusion:
Going by the standard London Underground map, they are inside the "bottle".
Most challengers who have attempted the "bottle" so far have visited them, so to exclude them now would de-value the current records.
Geographically, the Circle line does not really resemble a bottle, so the whole challenge is based on the map.

Against their inclusion:
Geographically, they are outside of the Circle line, which makes up the "bottle".
On some alternate maps they are outside of the "bottle".
Maps are always changing, while geographically they have not moved - it is more consistent to exlude them.

Now, I don't want to see anyone else posting their arguments no matter what their stance - if you really must discuss it further, see the "Bottle Challenge Question" thread. Simply vote Yes or No, and if you want to declare how you voted them do so, but post nothing else.

And finally, regardless of what you think the rules should be, I urge you to follow the result of this poll if you ever attempt the challenge, at least if you want your time to be considered official and go on the list of records.

This poll will have to end at some point, so I will arbitrarily say the end of June. That should be enough time for everyone who cares to vote.

Going Underground · Post by **Going Underground** » 11 Jun 2006, 23:25

How exiting locked at 9-9 coming towards the end of day 1, perhaps it wont be a Definitive Poll after all

Nutteronabus · Post by **Nutteronabus** » 12 Jun 2006, 08:39

I said it in the pub on friday- just look at Harry Beck's original, and decide from that!

hwolge · Post by **hwolge** » 12 Jun 2006, 12:05

I think the two Bakerloo stations should be included. It does not matter how the map looks in different places or geographical facts. The only thing that matters is the definition of this challenge. The earliest (and perhaps the only exisiting), and thus deciding, definition I've found is:

http://www.geofftech.co.uk/tubechallenge/alt_circle/

which clearly states that there are 50 stations in the challenge - and the only reasonable interpretation of that number is to include Edgware Road (Bakerloo) and Marylebone.

Soup Dragon · Post by **Soup Dragon** » 12 Jun 2006, 14:28

Come on guys... play fair, Ollie said not to add any further comments to this thread & he gave a balanced argument for both camps.
p.s. if you look on the homepage of this site under bottle challenge it says 48 stations, neither Geoff or Neil set the rules, its for the Forum to decide!!!

hwolge · Post by **hwolge** » 12 Jun 2006, 14:29

Sorry! Guilty on all accounts! Didn't read Ollie's post properly!

jonny · Post by **jonny** » 12 Jun 2006, 16:21

Without adding to the argument, I have uploaded the original map from TG's site to mine (hope he doesn't mind - sorry, TG).
If you're interested, the URL of it is http://www.jonnylyon.net/clbmap.jpg.

G Force · Post by **G Force** » 16 Jun 2006, 19:44

I think they should be included, as I was the first person to seriously attempt the bottle challenge (as far as I'm aware), and I included them. So there!

Post by **tubeguru** » 18 Jun 2006, 11:09

Can I vote for "I really couldn't give a flying crap" please?

Soup Dragon · Post by **Soup Dragon** » 18 Jun 2006, 12:40

Can I vote for "I really couldn't give a flying crap" please?

Come on Mr Tubeguru, vote NO... you know it makes sense.

Post by **tubeguru** » 18 Jun 2006, 19:16

I am abstaining from this vote as it holds no interest for me

standclearofthedoors · Post by **standclearofthedoors** » 19 Jun 2006, 16:12

Can't you abuse your moderator privleages and make a third option on the poll?

Going Underground · Post by **Going Underground** » 19 Jun 2006, 16:21

A third option is a good idea, but this would probably have alterted the way many people have already responded to the Poll, had 3 options been available initially

Root · Post by **Root** » 19 Jun 2006, 19:51

And then what would we do if the most popular option was "I don't care"?

If you don't care, don't vote. Simple.

Post by **tubeguru** » 19 Jun 2006, 21:08

Which is precisely what I'm doing

I can't see what the score currently is ...

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