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Soup Dragon wrote: ↑22 May 2021, 10:42I think you are far more optimistic about the UK's chances than I am, Perhaps 25-35 votes from juries, but I reckon less than 10 from the public vote, I think we're only likely to get votes from Ireland, Malta & Australia. Overall I expect that we will score fewer points than SuRie in 2018, because the competition is too strong this year. I'm sure that I will be wrong though.... I usually am LOL

I'm going to stick my neck out and say that the UK will get no more than 40 points from the televote. I have no idea how the juries will vote, but it could be even worse.

We're going to be no higher than halfway up the right-hand side of the scoreboard.

We always tend to do better with the jury, and this year will be no different.

hopeful traveller wrote: ↑22 May 2021, 21:53 We always tend to do better with the jury, and this year will be no different.

We did as well with the jury as we did with the televote this year! Finland did as well as I was expecting and Italy likewise, nice to see more guitar and hard rock/metal songs doing really well!

Silver lining: we were 23rd in the televote thanks to the tie break rule...

hopeful traveller wrote: ↑22 May 2021, 21:53 We always tend to do better with the jury, and this year will be no different.

You were saying?

And I told you Germany's song was shit.

My top ten prediction was:

1. Switzerland (third)
2. France (second)
3. Italy (first)
4. Iceland (correct)
5. Ukraine (correct)
6. Finland (correct)
7. Malta (correct)
8. Lithuania (correct)
9. Azerbaijan (nowhere)
10. San Marino (Flo who?)

The last two let me down, but I got the other eight in the top ten, and only my top three were in a different order.

tubeguru wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 11:05 My top ten prediction was:

1. Switzerland (third)
2. France (second)
3. Italy (first)
4. Iceland (correct)
5. Ukraine (correct)
6. Finland (correct)
7. Malta (correct)
8. Lithuania (correct)
9. Azerbaijan (nowhere)
10. San Marino (Flo who?)

The last two let me down, but I got the other eight in the top ten, and only my top three were in a different order.

That's amazing Neil, I got 7 out of 10 on the top ten, but the order was totally wrong. Back in the day, before they changed the voting system I could usually predict every song within one or two places, but nowadays it's a minefield!

Soup Dragon wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 23:27

tubeguru wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 11:05 My top ten prediction was:

1. Switzerland (third)
2. France (second)
3. Italy (first)
4. Iceland (correct)
5. Ukraine (correct)
6. Finland (correct)
7. Malta (correct)
8. Lithuania (correct)
9. Azerbaijan (nowhere)
10. San Marino (Flo who?)

The last two let me down, but I got the other eight in the top ten, and only my top three were in a different order.

That's amazing Neil, I got 7 out of 10 on the top ten, but the order was totally wrong. Back in the day, before they changed the voting system I could usually predict every song within one or two places, but nowadays it's a minefield!

This is why I love the new system. You never REALLY know who's got it until the very end.

(Although had I had a spreadsheet running, deducting all the televote points from 2262 as I went along, then I would have known that Switzerland couldn't possibly have won once it was only between them and Italy).

Or even just a calculator.

UK entries have not reached the top 40 in the UK chart since 2014, and we are ALWAYS beaten by other entries in the charts. Most other countries make it to #1 way before the contest in their own countries. So if we can't back our songs, why would anyone else? The BBC have had Eurovision in the wrong department for years, the light entertainment department (Radio 2, BBC One) for years. They need the selection to be something you could hear on Radio 1 rather than Radio 2, and subsequently trouble the top 10 in the charts. Then, and only then, will we get anywhere.

For what it's worth, I think it's splitting hairs to an extent. If we had finished anywhere in the bottom half I think the point would stand.

hopeful traveller wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 01:03 Or even just a calculator.

Or whatever *I* choose to use, thanks.

hopeful traveller wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 01:03 Or even just a calculator.

UK entries have not reached the top 40 in the UK chart since 2014, and we are ALWAYS beaten by other entries in the charts. Most other countries make it to #1 way before the contest in their own countries. So if we can't back our songs, why would anyone else? The BBC have had Eurovision in the wrong department for years, the light entertainment department (Radio 2, BBC One) for years. They need the selection to be something you could hear on Radio 1 rather than Radio 2, and subsequently trouble the top 10 in the charts. Then, and only then, will we get anywhere.

For what it's worth, I think it's splitting hairs to an extent. If we had finished anywhere in the bottom half I think the point would stand.

Or maybe, the wrong type of song was chosen? As Finland and Italy managed to display rather emphatically this year, heavier songs tend to do well with the public vote, ZITTI E BUONI also doing well with the jury votes as well for good measure. On the back of this, I think we could see more rock/metal songs next year in much the same way that Lordi winning in 2006 saw more rock/metal songs in 2007. Finland even sent a power metal band in 2008 while the nu-metal band Eldrine represented Georgia in 2011 and Hungary were represented by the metalcore band AWS in 2018!

What I don't understand is why this is taken as such a dent to our national pride. Europe hates us, so what!
What we should do is embrace that and really take the piss, like when Ireland entered the puppet turkey, or this year's Icelandic vote spokesman. I'm not not entirely sure Germany's entry wasn't a joke that was taken seriously.
We don't even have an obligation to enter do we? Didn't France not bother for a few years.

michael_churchill wrote: ↑26 May 2021, 09:03 What I don't understand is why this is taken as such a dent to our national pride. Europe hates us, so what!

nail on head Michael....

michael_churchill wrote: ↑26 May 2021, 09:03 What I don't understand is why this is taken as such a dent to our national pride. Europe hates us, so what!
What we should do is embrace that and really take the piss, like when Ireland entered the puppet turkey, or this year's Icelandic vote spokesman. I'm not not entirely sure Germany's entry wasn't a joke that was taken seriously.
We don't even have an obligation to enter do we? Didn't France not bother for a few years.

As a member of the Big Five, if the UK choose not to enter one year, the EBU may insist that we have to qualify in future competitions. Maybe that's one reason we don't leave.

Also, our song was very bland this year. The guy who sung it isn't a dancer, had terrible staging (what were those massive trumpets all about), and it was simply lost among so many far superior songs - Italy, France, Switzerland, Ukraine, Iceland, Lithuania, and Russia.

The people who choose our song really need to think about stepping away from the bland rubbish we've been sending the last few years, and really go for something "out there". I mean, it can't do any worse than Jemini, can it?

Plus yeah, the UK hasn't been the toast of Europe for several years now, and I doubt their attitude towards us will change any time soon.

Going Underground wrote: ↑26 May 2021, 12:07

michael_churchill wrote: ↑26 May 2021, 09:03 What I don't understand is why this is taken as such a dent to our national pride. Europe hates us, so what!

nail on head Michael....

The reason it's become a talking point in the right-wing media especially is because they see it as another UK versus Europe war. The Sun, the Mail, and the Express will use anything to stoke up anti-EU/Europe sentiment among its readers.

And it works. I looked through some of the comments on articles on the Mail website about Eurovision. You'd think we were at full-scale war with every country in Europe, the things people were saying. It's literally a song contest. The best/most popular song wins.

Also, the UK has an absolutely terrible superiority complex. We always like to see ourselves as the best, and in charge. As soon as we don't win, we take our ball and cry all the way home to mummy. It's pathetic.