Evidence Requirements

[hopeful traveller]

Sorry to resurrect an old thread but in my current job this has been playing on my mind... it would be interesting what they would say if it becomes a piece of casework. If someone moves to be in our constituency and then makes a record attempt, I'd be happy to take up the case in our office...

Considering the difficulties with privacy and TfL's banality at no-photos... Francis Bourgeois famously has a 360 degree GoPro strapped to his head, but I wonder if that's a sensible idea given someone at TfL / BTP would no doubt intervene if you tried to film your whole day?

Then I wondered... couldn't you livestream your attempt if and when they get 4G underground? The JLE has 4G now so it may happen. (I'd typed out the reason why here, then realised it wasn't particularly relevant.) That saves you having to deal with memory cards and storage. I think that's Guinness's thought, that you can do that length of footage on a phone these days... one wonders if they'll start insisting on 4k and 60fps soon.

And then one further point - being a paid-for service, if Guinness refuse requests for an independent adjudicator (on the grounds of unsociable hours etc), surely they therefore should stop considering such world records in future? Which at least would be helpful to have in writing, given we all* trust each other.

I'm not as fit as I used to be and I would like to have another go at the FNC when my fitness is back to more acceptable levels... hopefully within the next 18 months. Guinness and HT4 notwithstanding, it is very feasible no records will be submitted in that time.

*mostly

[nozzacook]

I have two points on this GWR are not a government body so the MP has no more influence over them than any other independent body ie zero. My second point is I would be disappointed if a MP got involved wasting public time and money on something so trivial. It’s Guinness’s rules abide by them or risk getting an attempt refused. I personally think they are silly and with a few tweaks could be made a bit easier to comply with. As it stands gone are the days of a solo record attempt.

[jrparkin]

Not necessarily. The recent WR on the Delhi Metro was a solo traveller

[jamesthegill]

if Guinness refuse requests for an independent adjudicator (on the grounds of unsociable hours etc)

I seem to recall the idea of an independent adjudicator was first mooted during the Shoreditch replacement bus service in 2006, so this has been going on for at least eight* years!

*Nobody correct me I'm happy in my bubble

[nozzacook]

Not necessarily. The recent WR on the Delhi Metro was a solo traveller

With Guinness’s current requirements.
A Logbook of the entire journey including arrival and departure times at each station.
Independent Witness statements 1 must be collected at least every hour.
Photos of every station and connecting services used
Video evidence of the entire challenge (necessitates the need for 2 cameras to allow for battery and memory card changes)

With the short dwell times at stations this is all but impossible as a solo challenger.

[jrparkin]

Yes with all the required stuff. He had to miss a few trains to get 'proper' photos of the signs but it was one person not a team. Prafull Singh was his name

[hopeful traveller]

Which is a total non-starter with the “final” 270 time being under 16 hours. There’s no room for missing trains.

[jrparkin]

According to the article on the Guinness website (sorry I can't provide a link easily, I'm on my tablet) it does state that he had to search for several station signs and missed getting back on the train.

Also the site lists him as only visiting 254 stations, the Aqua line which is officially Noida metro doesn't have to be visited

[hopeful traveller]

Oh yeah, I’m not disputing that’s what he did - it’s just that’s not possible on Tube Challenge, given some of the connections required.

[fatblokecaver]

If I am going to attempt a full hit of stations in very slow time walking and possibly over 2 days how would I get someone to look after the stopwatch. Do I ring them at the end of day 1 then again when we start again and at the finish?
Also do we still have to report to someone at Googe Street. I have a map and timings but being old with dodgy knees I will be very slow and will be staying over in London overnight to complete it over 2 days.
I presume once finishing day one I should start day 2 at the same station.
Thanks
Old bugger with dodgy Knees

[nozzacook]

If I am going to attempt a full hit of stations in very slow time walking and possibly over 2 days how would I get someone to look after the stopwatch. Do I ring them at the end of day 1 then again when we start again and at the finish?
Also do we still have to report to someone at Googe Street. I have a map and timings but being old with dodgy knees I will be very slow and will be staying over in London overnight to complete it over 2 days.
I presume once finishing day one I should start day 2 at the same station.
Thanks
Old bugger with dodgy Knees

When I do full network attempts that are not going to trouble the record (ie Children in need). I just put the stopwatch in my bag.
If you are going to do it over 2 days technically your attempt doesn’t finish until you reach the last station so you should leave the watch running.
If you do it over 2 days you should restart from the same station. If you choose not to you should travel between the two stations by public transport.

Saying all this if you are out just to complete and visit al 272 stations then do it in the most comfortable way that suits you. And enjoy it.have fun out there.

[jrparkin]

Are you still under all challenge rules at this point even if you suspend it overnight and resumed the following day

Let's say I did this and finished Day 1 at Shepherds Bush Station on the Central Line. How would I then get back to my hotel. Would I have to take public transport/walk or could I take a taxi

[nozzacook]

Are you still under all challenge rules at this point even if you suspend it overnight and resumed the following day

Let's say I did this and finished Day 1 at Shepherds Bush Station on the Central Line. How would I then get back to my hotel. Would I have to take public transport/walk or could I take a taxi

Personally I would use 2watches in that case.
1. For total elapsed time from station 1 - 272.
2. For actual time taken to do the challenge. Eg stop watch at end of day1 and resume at start of day 2.

With regard to to your second point. If you are resuming from the same station it doesn’t matter how you travel to or from the hotel.

Saying all this if you are using 2 days you won’t be troubling to GWR record so time it however you want to.

[RJSRdg]

Saying all this if you are using 2 days you won’t be troubling to GWR record so time it however you want to.

That depends. In theory if someone started at lunchtime one day, ran through to closing time, stopped the watch, had a few hours sleep and carried on again until the following lunchtime, it might be possible to beat the GWR, especially since it's currently around the 18 hour mark.

[Lunaticonthegrass]

It's important that, for the duration of the challenge, the stopwatch remains running and no private transport is used.

I think I read somewhere on this forum of someone who did all but one stations in a day, so for a completion they left the stopwatch running overnight and caught the first train to that station the next morning, resulting in a time of about 25 hours.

One way of dealing with the overnight problem is to plan to finish the first day and start the second very near to where you're staying. These can even be two different stations as long as you only walk or catch a bus between them. (Personally I'd aim to stay in the Hammersmith area, to start the second day with the first train out of Olympia.)

But.......

You only say possibly over two days. Doing a walking completion in one day is possible. I'd aim for that as it's simpler.