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Re: re:the draw

Posted: 14 May 2009, 21:05
by palkanetoijala31
No just using up the station names for a bit of fun first person to guess the station name drawn out of the hat on june 1st out of 57 gets 10 points for example.the same for each day until 30th.

Re: re:the draw

Posted: 15 May 2009, 11:32
by hwolge
Does this imply that you won't reveal the content of the 56 left over eggs on the day? I smell potential manipulation here... :wink:

Re: re:the draw

Posted: 15 May 2009, 12:06
by palkanetoijala31
I could empty all of the 57 eggs that were not not used to ensure a fair draw was carried afterwards i suppose.

Re: re:the draw

Posted: 15 May 2009, 12:08
by hwolge
I guess offering it would in reality be good enough.... After all, we'd probably trust you anyway!

Re: re:the draw

Posted: 15 May 2009, 12:31
by tubeguru
Time for an independent adjudicator methinks ... :)

Re: re:the draw

Posted: 15 May 2009, 12:37
by palkanetoijala31
Sounds like u dont trust me Mr Tubeguru :(

Re: re:the draw

Posted: 15 May 2009, 12:41
by tubeguru
Did I say that?

Re: re:the draw

Posted: 15 May 2009, 12:44
by palkanetoijala31
Not in words no but implied independant adjudicator means u cant trust me on merit alone. :(

Re: re:the draw

Posted: 15 May 2009, 16:20
by tubeguru
It doesn't necessarily mean that. Most independent adjucidators are appointed to ensure that fair play is seen to be done, not because people think that foul play WILL be done.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter what I think because I'm not involved in any of this.

Re: re:the draw

Posted: 19 May 2009, 00:25
by palkanetoijala31
This is a link to a random drawing of the kinder eggs to prove said facts.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNMuowqaa1A

Re: re:the draw

Posted: 19 May 2009, 07:22
by hwolge
Great video, Andi!

After watching it, the matematician/statistician/drawer in me makes a few observations:

* As a "proof" of all eggs holding different stations, I think the video falls short. Obviously, lots of manipulation can take place afterwards...
* Anyone dare to guess the maximum number of eggs one could draw on random (putting them back afterwards) before the accumulated risk of hitting the same one twice goes above 50%? (Not putting them back immediately would of course had been a better method anyway). Maybe there was a retake even?
* Do I have to be blindfolded since I now know the colour of 3 of the eggs of three of the stations? Or will there be some other obfuscation method?

Regardless, I'm happily looking forward to executing my randomising duty next Friday!

Re: re:the draw

Posted: 19 May 2009, 08:49
by Going Underground
Andi, you are going to have to paint all the egg shells the same colour now...... :lol:

Re: re:the draw

Posted: 19 May 2009, 12:35
by palkanetoijala31
It was just to prove that there were different names in each capsule and my father did change them afterwards does anybody have a velvet bag.?

Re: re:the draw

Posted: 19 May 2009, 13:34
by mps247
hwolge wrote:* Anyone dare to guess the maximum number of eggs one could draw on random (putting them back afterwards) before the accumulated risk of hitting the same one twice goes above 50%? (Not putting them back immediately would of course had been a better method anyway). Maybe there was a retake even?
42 draws I believe for 57 eggs.

Re: re:the draw

Posted: 19 May 2009, 14:12
by jbom1
42 draws I believe for 57 eggs.
I'm sure it's much quicker than that. I have the probability falling below 50% on the 10th egg.

p(all unique after n draws) = (57/57)*(56/57)*(55/57)*(54/57) ..... *((58-n)/57)

p(1) = 1.000
p(2) = 0.982
P(3) = 0.948
p(4) = 0.898
p(5) = 0.835
p(6) = 0.762
p(7) = 0.682
p(8) = 0.598
p(9) = 0.514
p(10) = 0.433