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HT's copied the pledge right, according to the leaflet through my door. It is somewhat disingenuous though as according to the leaflet he's already cut £2bn of waste so he's actually committing to cut another £1.5bn

I'm moving to Plymouth - I couldn't give a crap.

Root wrote: I know of at least one person on this forum who disagrees with you:

hopeful traveller wrote:if you are going to have a run-off system then EVERYONE SHOULD VOTE AGAIN

That doesn't happen under SV.

As they do in France!

That's besides the point - you said SV is a system to match FPTP, but it doesn't have two separate voting rounds, which you earlier said was important. So how does it match FPTP? SV does not eliminate tactical voting and does not meet the monotonicity criterion, so it is a flawed system.

As far as I'm aware, in France, everyone votes again!!

Yes they do, but like I said, that's besides the point. We weren't talking about France, we were talking about the London Mayoral election, where everybody does not vote again. I have no idea why you brought France up at all. Am I missing something?

Root wrote:Yes they do, but like I said, that's besides the point. We weren't talking about France, we were talking about the London Mayoral election, where everybody does not vote again. I have no idea why you brought France up at all. Am I missing something?

We both are.

A "true" Supplementary Vote system requires everyone to vote again (France). At which point did I specifically say "SV isn't flawed in London"?

You said SV is "the only system which can match FPTP", and at various times in this thread you have defended FPTP as a good, fair system. Your main criticism of AV was then that people do not get to vote again, yet it seems that you don't consider that to be a problem for SV, because you say it matches FPTP.

Root wrote:Your main criticism of AV was then that people do not get to vote again

I don't remember saying that.

Has anyone ever seen the 2006 Labour Party Election Broadcasts (Dave the Chameleon)? It's incredibly funny. Untrue, but funny.

You said it was the reason why you voted No in the AV referendum.

hopeful traveller wrote:The reason I supported the No campaign was that if you are going to have a run-off system then EVERYONE SHOULD VOTE AGAIN

Remember now?

He's a wannabe politician Ollie, he only remembers things when it suits him...

Steeevooo wrote:He's a wannabe politician Ollie, he only remembers things when it suits him...

Like the Murdochs? Oh hang on, they can't recall ANYTHING.

Steeevooo wrote:He's a wannabe politician Ollie, he only remembers things when it suits him...

Yes, I'm aware of that... I'm not really sure why I bother, but I do, and I don't really mind. It's quite fun, I suppose

You're saying that my criticism of AV was that people don't vote again, backed up with a quote that says I didn't like AV because not everyone votes again...