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Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 26 May 2014, 19:23
by tubeguru
The Orange One wrote: 1) Name a station with both a London Underground and National Rail service where no line marked on the Oyster Rail Services map in green or orange calls.

Wrong answers:
Marylebone - A2
Could you explain how this wrong?

Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 26 May 2014, 19:33
by The Orange One
Marylebone is two separate stations.

Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 26 May 2014, 19:36
by tubeguru
The Orange One wrote:Marylebone is two separate stations.
In what way?

Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 26 May 2014, 22:09
by TC95
The Orange One wrote:Results!! A four-way tie, as well. Jamesthegill, you were in first place, but tubeguru's late entry bumped you down there. The latter parts of this quiz were written just to see how people cope with easy questions.

1st= tractakid - 64
1st= greatkingrat - 64
1st= Garion - 64
1st= TC95 - 64
5th: jamesthegill - 192
6th: tubeguru - 372
7th: A2 - 6144

And the bit you can argue over - lots to argue about here! If you can convince me, I will change the results, but you'll find it pretty hard.

3) Name a forum member who has written all the questions for more than one "Rare Entries Quiz" thread on this forum, started before today.

Correct answers:
TRACTAKID - tractakid
jamesthegill - jamesthegill
snudge27 - greatkingrat
The Raven - tubeguru

Wrong answers:
Don't know without looking it up - A2
TC95 - Garion
Going Underground - TC95
I would like clarification on my incorrect answer here...
(These are the two threads in question...
- 1, Rare Entries Quiz IV - Rock and Prog Rock 24/3/13
- 2, Rare Entries Quiz - Prog Rock / Rock 3/6/12
With an additional one from 16/5/12)

Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 26 May 2014, 23:00
by The Orange One
One of those three threads had Hopeful Traveller creating the questions, one of them had no questions at all, so only one thread with questions done by Going Underground.

Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 27 May 2014, 12:50
by TC95
The Orange One wrote:One of those three threads had Hopeful Traveller creating the questions, one of them had no questions at all, so only one thread with questions done by Going Underground.
Ok

Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 27 May 2014, 15:34
by greatkingrat
The Orange One wrote:Marylebone is two separate stations.
If you count Marylebone as two separate stations, I would argue that Finsbury Park and Kentish Town are two stations as well.

Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 27 May 2014, 16:06
by tubeguru
greatkingrat wrote:
The Orange One wrote:Marylebone is two separate stations.
If you count Marylebone as two separate stations, I would argue that Finsbury Park and Kentish Town are two stations as well.
Exactly, as it is a thorny subject, you should specify this in the question.

Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 27 May 2014, 17:48
by The Orange One
tubeguru wrote:
greatkingrat wrote:
The Orange One wrote:Marylebone is two separate stations.
If you count Marylebone as two separate stations, I would argue that Finsbury Park and Kentish Town are two stations as well.
Exactly, as it is a thorny subject, you should specify this in the question.
I believed that was part of the Tube Challenge convention for stations. Since this convention is unclear, I have defaulted to my original convention, which is this:

Different stations are behind different sets of barriers, with the exceptions of:

- Bank/Monument, where the bits called Bank are different to the bits called Monument
- Waterloo, where the Waterloo and City Line platforms are part of the tube stations
- The Mainline stations of Paddington, Waterloo, Victoria, Euston, Liverpool Street, St. Pancras International, where all National Rail platforms are grouped into one station, despite being behind different barriers
- Finsbury Park is two, despite both the National Rail platforms 1 and 2 and the London Underground platforms being barrierless
- Chalfont and Latimer, Chorleywood and South Kenton are each one station, despite partly having no barriers

This means Moorgate, Old Street, Kentish Town, Seven Sisters and Blackhorse Road are each a single station.

Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 27 May 2014, 18:18
by nozzacook
The Orange One wrote:
tubeguru wrote:
greatkingrat wrote:
The Orange One wrote:Marylebone is two separate stations.
If you count Marylebone as two separate stations, I would argue that Finsbury Park and Kentish Town are two stations as well.
Exactly, as it is a thorny subject, you should specify this in the question.
I believed that was part of the Tube Challenge convention for stations. Since this convention is unclear, I have defaulted to my original convention, which is this:

Different stations are behind different sets of barriers, with the exceptions of:

- Bank/Monument, where the bits called Bank are different to the bits called Monument
- Waterloo, where the Waterloo and City Line platforms are part of the tube stations
- The Mainline stations of Paddington, Waterloo, Victoria, Euston, Liverpool Street, St. Pancras International, where all National Rail platforms are grouped into one station, despite being behind different barriers
- Finsbury Park is two, despite both the National Rail platforms 1 and 2 and the London Underground platforms being barrierless
- Chalfont and Latimer, Chorleywood and South Kenton are each one station, despite partly having no barriers

This means Moorgate, Old Street, Kentish Town, Seven Sisters and Blackhorse Road are each a single station.
Just because they are behind different barriers does not make them different stations. If that's the case Victoria is two stations as platforms 1 - 7 are behind one set of barriers and platforms 8-17 behind another.

Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 27 May 2014, 18:23
by tubeguru
I knew this quiz had loopholes ...

Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 27 May 2014, 20:40
by TC95
The Orange One wrote:
tubeguru wrote:
greatkingrat wrote:
The Orange One wrote:Marylebone is two separate stations.
If you count Marylebone as two separate stations, I would argue that Finsbury Park and Kentish Town are two stations as well.
Exactly, as it is a thorny subject, you should specify this in the question.
I believed that was part of the Tube Challenge convention for stations. Since this convention is unclear, I have defaulted to my original convention, which is this:

Different stations are behind different sets of barriers, with the exceptions of:

- Bank/Monument, where the bits called Bank are different to the bits called Monument
- Waterloo, where the Waterloo and City Line platforms are part of the tube stations
- The Mainline stations of Paddington, Waterloo, Victoria, Euston, Liverpool Street, St. Pancras International, where all National Rail platforms are grouped into one station, despite being behind different barriers
- Finsbury Park is two, despite both the National Rail platforms 1 and 2 and the London Underground platforms being barrierless
- Chalfont and Latimer, Chorleywood and South Kenton are each one station, despite partly having no barriers

This means Moorgate, Old Street, Kentish Town, Seven Sisters and Blackhorse Road are each a single station.
Is Blackfriars two separate stations then, or Brixton, or Balham, or Cannon Street?

I'm really confused here! Can someone else explain this in a more simpler way?

Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 27 May 2014, 22:03
by The Orange One
Brixton and Balham have each always been two separate stations, Blackfriars and Cannon Street are considered to be as well.

Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 03 Jun 2014, 22:11
by tractakid
As the question is based on the map- use what the map shows as a single station!

Re: Rare Entries XIII - another assortment

Posted: 03 Jun 2014, 22:30
by TC95
tractakid wrote:As the question is based on the map- use what the map shows as a single station!
Here, here (although whether the answers are changed or not has no bearing on my score)