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Of course Geoff would have beaten the record if there had have been no delays, so yes, he can blame the network. I do think Andi has a point, if not worded (or spelled- 'Edgware') very well- if the current record was set on a day without good service it may well show that Andi has a quicker route.

It all depends on how much of a delay each person experienced. If it was the same, then Andi wins.

This was covered in great detail in a previous thread. Many records have been set with the network not working as it should. this also can benefit as well as hinder the challenger.

Which goes to prove that you need luck on the day as well as a good route to break the record.

This isnt a case of Andi wins Geoff loses - where did this concept come from?

Yes, if the system had run perfectly then we would have beaten the current record on Friday. The system didnt run perfectly therefore we didnt beat the record. Equally, if Andi had encountered a perfect day his record would have been even quicker - I dont think we are disputing this point. Andi had many occasions when the network let him down while he had a potentially good route.

Failures can be categoriesed into Network Issues, Challengeer issues and external factors. There is a clear distinction here from a route which on paper is 16:30+ to start with, or whereby somone runs the wrong way, takes the wrong train (challenger issues), singal failures, train failures (network issues), weather issues or one unders (external factors).

Tube delays - hmmm. I've commuted to London since 2004. Delays got worse around 2009-2011. Reported delays have got better in 2012. However that does not reflect my personal experience where 15+ minute waits for any train along the top of the circle is reported as a "Good Service". Thats 4 trains missing! Actual delays are no better ion 2012 than 2009, just the reporting has changed.

moley wrote:This isnt a case of Andi wins Geoff loses - where did this concept come from?

This is a competitive record- therefore, the holder of the record is the winner?

Am I wrong?

nozzacook wrote:This was covered in great detail in a previous thread. Many records have been set with the network not working as it should. this also can benefit as well as hinder the challenger.

Which goes to prove that you need luck on the day as well as a good route to break the record.

Agreed - but on top of this there is the timetable that is supposed to be operating on the day you do your challenge. As Geoff has mentioned, my last attempt on a Saturday would not have worked so well had I tried to do the same stations in exactly the same order on a weekday. But conversely, there are fewer trains at peak hours on Saturdays which I reckon limits the options later on. Clearly, the Olympia frequency on the day is a very major factor, which on weekday without an exhibition service severely hampers the ability to reroute if things aren't quite going to plan.

Irrespective of the Olympia service that is running, my belief is that the timetable that now exists at the extremities of the network is a lot less conducive to producing a fast time than than was the case in 2011.

Which makes it ironic then that my paper time now is faster than my paper time when Andi and I (yes, the record doesn't just belong to Andi!!!) got the record

That's not irony.

I think this topic has gone off a little tangent my point was geoff always has that excuse the network let us down in this case the same thing happened to him as mine and steveo record attempt (so a classic case of blaming the network in this case was wrong!) so its a case of how u take things really (me and steveo oh well never mind we couldnt beat the current record ah lets go down the pub) (geoff likes to rant about the current service being bad totally differant ways of views of looking at things).

in theroy i dont actually tell people my estimated theroy times as why would i?geoff has quite clearly stated a few times his ideal times whether u believe him or not nobody can theroise the perfect time for 270 and one day the record will get beaten who by i dont know perhaps even a MARC GAWLEY!

Andi, I think it's a little facile to say that because you achieved a world record despite delays, people shouldn't blame the network for their failure to beat the record. Surely, you were successful because you either had a route that had enough leeway in it that the delay didn't put you behind record pace, or you had enough luck later in the day to counteract the effect of the delay?

i actually agree with the point although u forget to mention the stone cold fact that we did not know that the record had been beaten APRIL 21st 2011 so in fact that the delay me and steveo actually we didnt know we were really close to the record just set 37 days ago come MAY 27th 2011!i dont think we had any specific luck we had delays just like anybody else does and no our route did have some leeway u have to in any route i think so i just pointing out an obvious fact!

Scrxisi (to be honest i havent actually gone out since i did with ANTHONY BROWN i have achieved the record 4 times and dont really need to be a 5 time record holder or feel the need to) but i will say this i be happy to help anybody with their attempt and i can assure anybody i keep an eye on it but doing the tube challenges with steveo is such fun so if we do decide to go out and try and better the time it have to be a reason for doing so.

I actually like poeple replies to my nice writing stance and style im taking up elocution classes! give me a mark out of ten please.

Elocution is for speaking.

tubeguru wrote:Elocution is for speaking.

yes i know that but the words i write down are technically me speaking them are they not.

palkanetoijala31 wrote:

tubeguru wrote:Elocution is for speaking.

yes i know that but the words i write down are technically me speaking them are they not.

There's a very clear difference between spoken and written English.

Anyway, back to the thread.

The reason that written English needs punctuation and good spelling is that it simply makes it easier to read and interpret. Obviously there's no body language or tone of voice with written language, but punctuation goes some way towards ameliorating this. This is one reason that I really do not like this idea of "ritin wiv txt speek" because it's actually harder and slower to read.

Exactly. Some of Andi's posts make my head hurt, simply because I can't understand what is meant by the continual stream of words.

ANYWAY, back to the thread again!

Well done Geoff on a completion in a very respectable time. Better luck next time!

now this is tube 21 Geoff is now probably the 3rd most attempts tube challenger ever i wonder? when it will end?