Politics

[MylesHSG]

@Tubeguru

**** is a swear word.

Fock isn't.

[Starkey7]

I thought that that was what one used with a knif and a spon.

[tubeguru]

@Tubeguru

**** is a swear word.

Fock isn't.

No, you obviously meant something completely different to "**** politics" there then?

Anyway, back to the politics please.

[hopeful traveller]

A QUICK OVERVIEW

Current Polls (12 Jan):
Conservatives - 41%
Labour - 40%
Liberal Democrats - 8%
Others - 10%

Using the UK Polling report, this returns:
Labour - 320 seats
Conservatives - 288 seats
Liberal Democrats - 10 seats
Others - 32 seats


2012 is shaping up to be a better year for my party. I refer to it as "my party" as I have plans to join the right honourable party, of which there is only one. We have the best economic strategy, which has been proved more than ever since my last in-depth post, as Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls said that he agrees with our plans - he says we need to freeze public sector pay (which we are doing), we need cuts (which we have delivered) and we need austerity.

And only 16 days in and Ed Miliband has cocked things up already. The first thing was that his own lord and to him was that he was slated by his own Lord, and said Lord said that, "[Labour has] no explorative strategy [...] is losing the economic argument [...] Ed Miliband's leadership is weak."

Then Diane Abbott made a shocking and incredibly outrageous and extremely racist remark,

White People like to play "divide and rule." We [the blacks] should not play their game.

If that's not racist, I don't know what is.

Then, the biggest blunder of all. The Leader of the Opposition blatantly lied to the House of Commons during Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday 11 January. He was even slated by his own MP about it, during the question time. The subject was, following the right conclusion to say yes to HS2, Ed Miliband "asked" about increased rail fares, and the fact that they (nationally) went up by 11%. My Right Honourable friend then replied that this was a Labour policy. Then Ed Miliband came back saying that the last government capped fares at 1% above inflation. Cue a big argument and wasted questions by Ed Miliband. Finally, when he had used up his questions, the next MP (Labour) then said that

I'm afraid that the Leader of the Opposition is talking utter trash. My constituents have been paying increases of up to 21% for the past four years.

But the worst thing is that Ed Miliband should never have been Labour leader, as he was elected unfairly using AV. If First Past the Post was used then David Miliband should be Labour leader, which, for Labour (and all Labour voters I have spoken to agree with me) would have been better.

[MylesHSG]

Arrrgh my eyes...

So you support the party that wants to spend 100 million on a new royal rubber dingy....to and I quote "raise public moral".

How about 'you' lower VAT so we are all a little bit better off, afterall 40% YES 40% of us worry about paying out gas and electric bills!

And surely you cant mean this twit:

[MylesHSG]

Oh and by your stats Labour win the next election

Bet you wish you had AV now dont you

Oh and just seen the "Right Honerable Party", if you want any credibilty to your posts you have to be a litte less partisan and be able to see the good and the bad about 'your' party and not just the sun shines out of camerons arse.

I also see you soent 75% of your post slagging of the opposition not bigging up your party

[MylesHSG]

Found this on my travels too

[The Raven]

Miliband is lot more yellow than I remember, oh he's the one on the right!

[MylesHSG]

Miliband is lot yellow than I remember, oh he's the one on the right!

I loled

[hopeful traveller]

Arrrgh my eyes...

So you support the party that wants to spend 100 million on a new royal rubber dingy....to and I quote "raise public moral".

How about 'you' lower VAT so we are all a little bit better off, afterall 40% YES 40% of us worry about paying out gas and electric bills!

And surely you cant mean this twit:

Since this is the only post that actually makes a fair point...

I have not heard anything about this ridiculous statement by yourself.

The last government increased VAT, as the Shadow Cabinet wants to do, to beyond 20%.

[MylesHSG]

Gordon Brown reduced VAT to 12.5% mate to stimulate the economy.......

[hopeful traveller]

Gordon Brown reduced VAT to 12.5% mate to stimulate the economy.......

It was Tony Blair at the end of 2006 who reduced it to 15% and Gordon Brown brought it back up to 17.5% and in his manifesto, and I quote,

A rise in VAT would no be ruled out.

If you can't get your stats right, then I wouldn't bother.

[Root]

I don't know why I do this...

2012 is shaping up to be a better year for my party. I refer to it as "my party" as I have plans to join the right honourable party, of which there is only one. We have the best economic strategy, which has been proved more than ever since my last in-depth post, as Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls said that he agrees with our plans - he says we need to freeze public sector pay (which we are doing), we need cuts (which we have delivered) and we need austerity.

And only 16 days in and Ed Miliband has cocked things up already. The first thing was that his own lord and to him was that he was slated by his own Lord, and said Lord said that, "[Labour has] no explorative strategy [...] is losing the economic argument [...] Ed Miliband's leadership is weak."

Here we go again. 99% of the time, the opposition talk complete bullshit, but when they agree with you, or when they criticise themselves, they are completely correct, and you will quote them selectively for weeks on end.

How are you ever going to get politicians to co-operate in the UK when anything positive they say about one another or their policies are just met with an "A-ha!" from the other side?

Then Diane Abbott made a shocking and incredibly outrageous and extremely racist remark, 'White People like to play "divide and rule." We [the blacks] should not play their game.' If that's not racist, I don't know what is.

Without defending what she said, I do know what is racist, or rather who is: (some) Conservatives. Exhibits A, B, C... (note that I just found those stories with a quick search - don't hold me to every word they contain.)

Then, the biggest blunder of all. The Leader of the Opposition blatantly lied to the House of Commons during Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday 11 January. He was even slated by his own MP about it, during the question time. The subject was, following the right conclusion to say yes to HS2, Ed Miliband "asked" about increased rail fares, and the fact that they (nationally) went up by 11%. My Right Honourable friend then replied that this was a Labour policy. Then Ed Miliband came back saying that the last government capped fares at 1% above inflation. Cue a big argument and wasted questions by Ed Miliband. Finally, when he had used up his questions, the next MP (Labour) then said that "I'm afraid that the Leader of the Opposition is talking utter trash. My constituents have been paying increases of up to 21% for the past four years."

See my first point (about seizing any examples of opposition MPs criticising their own party). Also: all politicians lie. It's fair enough for you to call them out on it, but don't pretend that it's limited to one party.

But the worst thing is that Ed Miliband should never have been Labour leader, as he was elected unfairly using AV. If First Past the Post was used then David Miliband should be Labour leader, which, for Labour (and all Labour voters I have spoken to agree with me) would have been better.

This is my favourite bit. David Cameron was elected using AV! Or at least with a run-off voting system similar to it. If the Conservatives had used First Past the Post, David Davis would have been elected instead of Cameron. That is such common knowledge, and was even brought up during last year's AV referendum debate, that I'm amazed you didn't know (not that you listened to anything the Yes side said in that referendum, I'm sure).

I was going to say that you should educate yourself a little better before making such ridiculous posts here, but you've beaten me to it with another good one:

The last government increased VAT, as the Shadow Cabinet wants to do, to beyond 20%.

That is either completely untrue or horrible spin, depending on how your sentence is interpreted. VAT remained unchanged at 17.5% from 1991 to 2008, when Labour put it down - eventually they put it back up again, but only to 17.5%. The rate under Labour was never, at any stage, higher than it was when they came to power. And I have not heard anything about the Shadow Cabinet planning to increase it now - in fact, Ed Balls wants to cut it temporarily to help growth.

One day you'll look back at all of this and laugh at yourself.

[greatkingrat]

It was Tony Blair at the end of 2006 who reduced it to 15% and Gordon Brown brought it back up to 17.5% and in his manifesto, and I quote,

A rise in VAT would no be ruled out.

If you can't get your stats right, then I wouldn't bother.

No, VAT was reduced from 17.5% to 15% in Dec 2008 (long after Blair had gone), and went back to 17.5% in Jan 2010. It was always intended to be a temporary cut. Perhaps you should try to get your stats right?

[jamesthegill]

I don't know why I do this...

Thank you for doing so. It's my turn next time.

Point that most learned individuals will know, but not only was VAT introduced by the Conservatives, every ongoing rise* in standard VAT has been implemented by a Conservative government.

*The return to 17.5% in January 2010 was announced at the same time as the drop to 15% in January 2009