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Sorry to resurrect an old thread but in my current job this has been playing on my mind... it would be interesting what they would say if it becomes a piece of casework. If someone moves to be in our constituency and then makes a record attempt, I'd be happy to take up the case in our office...

Considering the difficulties with privacy and TfL's banality at no-photos... Francis Bourgeois famously has a 360 degree GoPro strapped to his head, but I wonder if that's a sensible idea given someone at TfL / BTP would no doubt intervene if you tried to film your whole day?

Then I wondered... couldn't you livestream your attempt if and when they get 4G underground? The JLE has 4G now so it may happen. (I'd typed out the reason why here, then realised it wasn't particularly relevant.) That saves you having to deal with memory cards and storage. I think that's Guinness's thought, that you can do that length of footage on a phone these days... one wonders if they'll start insisting on 4k and 60fps soon.

And then one further point - being a paid-for service, if Guinness refuse requests for an independent adjudicator (on the grounds of unsociable hours etc), surely they therefore should stop considering such world records in future? Which at least would be helpful to have in writing, given we all* trust each other.

I'm not as fit as I used to be and I would like to have another go at the FNC when my fitness is back to more acceptable levels... hopefully within the next 18 months. Guinness and HT4 notwithstanding, it is very feasible no records will be submitted in that time.

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I have two points on this GWR are not a government body so the MP has no more influence over them than any other independent body ie zero. My second point is I would be disappointed if a MP got involved wasting public time and money on something so trivial. It’s Guinness’s rules abide by them or risk getting an attempt refused. I personally think they are silly and with a few tweaks could be made a bit easier to comply with. As it stands gone are the days of a solo record attempt.
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Not necessarily. The recent WR on the Delhi Metro was a solo traveller
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hopeful traveller wrote: 20 May 2022, 20:33 if Guinness refuse requests for an independent adjudicator (on the grounds of unsociable hours etc)
I seem to recall the idea of an independent adjudicator was first mooted during the Shoreditch replacement bus service in 2006, so this has been going on for at least eight* years!

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jrparkin wrote: 21 May 2022, 20:45 Not necessarily. The recent WR on the Delhi Metro was a solo traveller
With Guinness’s current requirements.
A Logbook of the entire journey including arrival and departure times at each station.
Independent Witness statements 1 must be collected at least every hour.
Photos of every station and connecting services used
Video evidence of the entire challenge (necessitates the need for 2 cameras to allow for battery and memory card changes)

With the short dwell times at stations this is all but impossible as a solo challenger.
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Yes with all the required stuff. He had to miss a few trains to get 'proper' photos of the signs but it was one person not a team. Prafull Singh was his name
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Which is a total non-starter with the “final” 270 time being under 16 hours. There’s no room for missing trains.
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According to the article on the Guinness website (sorry I can't provide a link easily, I'm on my tablet) it does state that he had to search for several station signs and missed getting back on the train.

Also the site lists him as only visiting 254 stations, the Aqua line which is officially Noida metro doesn't have to be visited
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Oh yeah, I’m not disputing that’s what he did - it’s just that’s not possible on Tube Challenge, given some of the connections required.
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