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Oyster for Z1C?
I know this has been discussed on this forum before, but I don't think it's been straightened out fully... Here are my specific questions:
* Has any of you "Z1C regulars" used Oyster? What's your experience from this?
* Is the time limit still 2h00m or has it been raised to 2h30m as I've seen rumours about?
* If, during a Z1C, I see that I'm going to cross the time limit without a forced system exit, what do I do? More specifically, would it be enough to do an "exit sweep" or do I need both an exit and an entry sweep? Would it possibly be a problem with an immediate reentry after an exit?
The reason I'm asking is that I'm contemplating Oyster instead of paper Travel Cards for my visit to London for the 2007 Z1C.
* Has any of you "Z1C regulars" used Oyster? What's your experience from this?
* Is the time limit still 2h00m or has it been raised to 2h30m as I've seen rumours about?
* If, during a Z1C, I see that I'm going to cross the time limit without a forced system exit, what do I do? More specifically, would it be enough to do an "exit sweep" or do I need both an exit and an entry sweep? Would it possibly be a problem with an immediate reentry after an exit?
The reason I'm asking is that I'm contemplating Oyster instead of paper Travel Cards for my visit to London for the 2007 Z1C.
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My Oystercard is Prepay only but I am always getting the same error with it.
On my journeys from Finsbury Park to Paddington and back it regularly fails to register me as having touched in, and so I am always ringing them up to get £4.00 back. I got a new card and it worked fine for a while before starting to do it again.
The time limit is now 3 hours or more I believe. Someone posted something about it here but I can't find it.
Are you really going to be inside the system for longer that 2.5 to 3 hours?
On my journeys from Finsbury Park to Paddington and back it regularly fails to register me as having touched in, and so I am always ringing them up to get £4.00 back. I got a new card and it worked fine for a while before starting to do it again.
The time limit is now 3 hours or more I believe. Someone posted something about it here but I can't find it.
Are you really going to be inside the system for longer that 2.5 to 3 hours?
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I don't think so - but I'm not quite sure... I suspect there will always be a Queenswater, a Paddington or an Aldgate run to make it shorter - it's more of theoretical interest...tubeguru wrote:Are you really going to be inside the system for longer that 2.5 to 3 hours?
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Actually, if my memory serves me right my very first Z1C was done like this:
Paddington (H&C)-Aldgate East-Aldgate-Westminster-London Bridge-Elephant & Castle-Paddington-HSK-NHG-Tottenham Court Road-Euston-Bank-Holborn-Russel Square-Earl's Court-St. James's Park-Victoria-Vauxhall
This was more than 2:30 in the system (after the Aldgate run), despite a sub-3 hour finish ...
One more thing, is the topping up limited to even multiples of £5 or could it be any amount? (I'll probably need exactly £20.80 for this trip...)
Paddington (H&C)-Aldgate East-Aldgate-Westminster-London Bridge-Elephant & Castle-Paddington-HSK-NHG-Tottenham Court Road-Euston-Bank-Holborn-Russel Square-Earl's Court-St. James's Park-Victoria-Vauxhall
This was more than 2:30 in the system (after the Aldgate run), despite a sub-3 hour finish ...
One more thing, is the topping up limited to even multiples of £5 or could it be any amount? (I'll probably need exactly £20.80 for this trip...)
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OK Let's see if I got all the Oyster business right:
* I arrive in London (Liverpool Street) and go to the tube ticket office.
* At the counter I "buy" (pay deposit) of £3 (that I don't expect to ever get back). Or are there machines where you can get new Oyster cards?
* I don't need to fill out any forms or so since I'm not interested in any season Travel Cards or theft/loss protection etc.
* I go over to a machine and fill it up by cash - and I happen to have £21 in even money. If I'm out of cash I have to put in £25 from my credit card instead...
* I use it for all my Zone 1-4 travel + buses (all off peak) for four days. The price cap is £5.20/day - so my £21 should cover that!
Have I got it?
* I arrive in London (Liverpool Street) and go to the tube ticket office.
* At the counter I "buy" (pay deposit) of £3 (that I don't expect to ever get back). Or are there machines where you can get new Oyster cards?
* I don't need to fill out any forms or so since I'm not interested in any season Travel Cards or theft/loss protection etc.
* I go over to a machine and fill it up by cash - and I happen to have £21 in even money. If I'm out of cash I have to put in £25 from my credit card instead...
* I use it for all my Zone 1-4 travel + buses (all off peak) for four days. The price cap is £5.20/day - so my £21 should cover that!
Have I got it?
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Machines don't give out Oysters - you have to speak to the nice man.hwolge wrote:OK Let's see if I got all the Oyster business right:
* I arrive in London (Liverpool Street) and go to the tube ticket office.
* At the counter I "buy" (pay deposit) of £3 (that I don't expect to ever get back). Or are there machines where you can get new Oyster cards?
You only fill in the form if you register it, and there are no benefits for you personally to register it really.hwolge wrote: * I don't need to fill out any forms or so since I'm not interested in any season Travel Cards or theft/loss protection etc.
Yes.hwolge wrote: * I go over to a machine and fill it up by cash - and I happen to have £21 in even money. If I'm out of cash I have to put in £25 from my credit card instead...
Yes, but you can use it to go to all the way to Zone D if you like. And the buses cost the same at all times of the day. Don't they?hwolge wrote: * I use it for all my Zone 1-4 travel + buses (all off peak) for four days. The price cap is £5.20/day - so my £21 should cover that!
Have I got it?
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Yes, the Zone 1-4 was just the actual example of my upcoming visit...
EDIT: I think I found it:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresandtickets/1051.aspx
half a page down it says:
This is somewhat unclear from reading on the tfl site... In fact I can't find a single line indicating if the bus rides are included in the "peak system" or not. I would guess they were, but I trust tubeguru more than myself on this... Does anyone KNOW?tubeguru wrote:And the buses cost the same at all times of the day. Don't they?
EDIT: I think I found it:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresandtickets/1051.aspx
half a page down it says:
It certainly seems that buses are not excempt from the "peak system"tfl wrote:Daily price capping is the most you will be charged a day when you use Oyster to pay as you go on Tube, DLR, bus, tram and some National Rail services. The Peak cap will apply if you travel from 0430 and before 0930 Mondays to Fridays.
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Good question, but obviously it does...
Well, the capping includes bus fares (that are only £1 on Oyster to begin with). Assume I will do *lots* of Zone 1-4 travelling off peak - then the Oyster would cap at £5.20. This would include all off peak bus travel. However if I start out in the morning with a bus to my tube station that leaves slightly before 9.30 then that will cost me an additional £1 since it's not done off peak... However, if I make THREE SEPARATE bus journeys before 9.30 then that wolud invoke the peak cap of £7.30 (rather than the off peek £5.20 + 3 x £1).
Oyster is pretty smart.
Well, the capping includes bus fares (that are only £1 on Oyster to begin with). Assume I will do *lots* of Zone 1-4 travelling off peak - then the Oyster would cap at £5.20. This would include all off peak bus travel. However if I start out in the morning with a bus to my tube station that leaves slightly before 9.30 then that will cost me an additional £1 since it's not done off peak... However, if I make THREE SEPARATE bus journeys before 9.30 then that wolud invoke the peak cap of £7.30 (rather than the off peek £5.20 + 3 x £1).
Oyster is pretty smart.
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