"Official" Tube Challenge Adjudicators
Posted: 06 Dec 2016, 08:00
As mentioned here, the prospect of a TCA Association isn't ridiculous.... I'd be happy to do it from home!
Eleven lines - one record
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They could confirm that those trains had run, but not that those journeys had been made. As far as I know LUL do not keep records of every passenger getting on and off every train.tubeguru wrote:Guinness, one assumes, have a means of contacting LUL to check train times and numbers. That hasn't changed over the years has it? I always thought that Guinness would be able to contact someone in the know at LUL, who would be able to confirm that the claimed journeys had been made.
It would be nice if we could actually KNOW what Guinness do when presented with a record attempt.greatkingrat wrote:You have greater faith in Guinness than I do. I don't think they check the log at all. Remember it takes them several months to verify the record by which time the data might not be available anyway and I suspect LU staff have better things to do than go back and check whether train 123 to Mill Hill East did indeed depart at 10:46:32 on the 15th June.
I think anyone on this forum could come up with evidence that looks plausible enough to claim a fake record if they really wanted to.
Tonight: Inside Guinness World Recordtubeguru wrote:It would be nice if we could actually KNOW what Guinness do when presented with a record attempt.greatkingrat wrote:You have greater faith in Guinness than I do. I don't think they check the log at all. Remember it takes them several months to verify the record by which time the data might not be available anyway and I suspect LU staff have better things to do than go back and check whether train 123 to Mill Hill East did indeed depart at 10:46:32 on the 15th June.
I think anyone on this forum could come up with evidence that looks plausible enough to claim a fake record if they really wanted to.
As some members of the forum know, a few years ago, I entered into a dialogue with Guinness about some doubts that existed about a recently ratified record. These doubts were fuelled by misinformation that had been put out by the record holder about their route, which had led some to suppose that apparent inconsistencies were evidence of malpractice.tubeguru wrote: It would be nice if we could actually KNOW what Guinness do when presented with a record attempt.
This is why Guinness are trying too get applicants to send oyster records as well.Going Underground wrote:I have mentioned before you could quite easily get a GWR for this sat cosily at home....
The last time we claimed a record were sent a list of queries based on our rather full portfolio of evidence. This led me to believe that Guinness use information in the public domain to verify claims. That said, more information than ever is in the public domain.Nigel wrote:As some members of the forum know, a few years ago, I entered into a dialogue with Guinness about some doubts that existed about a recently ratified record. These doubts were fuelled by misinformation that had been put out by the record holder about their route, which had led some to suppose that apparent inconsistencies were evidence of malpractice.tubeguru wrote: It would be nice if we could actually KNOW what Guinness do when presented with a record attempt.
After an initial exchange of letters with Guinness about the issue, I then spoke on a couple of occasions with the adjudicator of this claim. She was based in New York, and while she tried to be diligent in checking the evidence presented, she had no real knowledge of the London Underground system and had not verified anything with TfL.
They do (CCTV footage) but only for 20 days.GuyBarry wrote: ↑06 Dec 2016, 17:00They could confirm that those trains had run, but not that those journeys had been made. As far as I know LUL do not keep records of every passenger getting on and off every train.tubeguru wrote:Guinness, one assumes, have a means of contacting LUL to check train times and numbers. That hasn't changed over the years has it? I always thought that Guinness would be able to contact someone in the know at LUL, who would be able to confirm that the claimed journeys had been made.