cycling around the british isles
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Surely Northern Ireland is part of the British Isles?
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technically northern ireland is part of the uk not great britain thats just wales,scotland,englandSam wrote:Surely Northern Ireland is part of the British Isles?
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Great Britain is England, Wales and Scotland (plus the isalnds) whereas the UK is England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland
Why do you think "Team GB" (as in the Olympics) does not include anyone from Ireland?
Why do you think "Team GB" (as in the Olympics) does not include anyone from Ireland?
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That's the thing - it does. "Great Britain" does not include Ireland (the island), but "British Isles" does.palkanetoijala31 wrote:British isles does not include ireland
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Actually, Team GB's full title is: Great Britain and Northern Ireland. They skip the Northern Ireland part as it is a bit of a mouthful.
Take a look at your passports (those of you who have British passports). It states, "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".
Here is what I remember from Geography classes at school when I was younger:
British Isles: England, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
United Kingdom: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
Britain: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
Great Britain: England, Scotland and Wales.
Take a look at your passports (those of you who have British passports). It states, "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".
Here is what I remember from Geography classes at school when I was younger:
British Isles: England, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
United Kingdom: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
Britain: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
Great Britain: England, Scotland and Wales.
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Surely the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland together form Eire (the Irish name for the island of Ireland), do they not? While the English name of the island is Ireland, I always use the Irish name of Eire so as to avoid confusion with the Republic of Ireland.
Therefore I'm fairly certain that wikipedia is wrong and Eire is not part of the British Isles, as it is not subservient to the island of Great Britain which all of the other islands that make up the British Isles are. (Great Britain, being a major part of the United kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, however it does not include any island off GB, nor the sections of the UK away from the mainland - Gibraltar, the Falklands, nor any of our Crown Dependencies.) What we need is a more cast iron resource than the free for all that is wikipedia, as this is such political dynamite that, it may have been edited for a certain individuals taste. The reason why I say this is that I know the Irish (as a people, a state and a government) do not like the term "British Isles" and instead prefer IONA. (Islands Of The North Atlantic)
Thus I was taught (during/post the peace process) that the British Isles did not include Eire, while IONA did, however I'd be pretty certain that this wasn't the original definition, and that perhaps originally the British Isles did include Eire, before the term IONA was invented to appease the Irish, with the British Isles then being adapted to not include Eire. Some of the older here may see this as "political correctness" - but I'm not going any nearer that minefield than I already am.
Hopefully that has updated Hassan's clear and concise post, bearing in mind the two technicalities he missed, namely the sections of the UK away from the mainland and the Crown Dependencies. If anyone wants to know more about the latter, I did a presentation on it for A Level Politics, and can talk for England (ho ho ho - bad jokes!) on it.
Or in short, Andi's right to not include Ireland. (Or Eire as I'd call it!)
Therefore I'm fairly certain that wikipedia is wrong and Eire is not part of the British Isles, as it is not subservient to the island of Great Britain which all of the other islands that make up the British Isles are. (Great Britain, being a major part of the United kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, however it does not include any island off GB, nor the sections of the UK away from the mainland - Gibraltar, the Falklands, nor any of our Crown Dependencies.) What we need is a more cast iron resource than the free for all that is wikipedia, as this is such political dynamite that, it may have been edited for a certain individuals taste. The reason why I say this is that I know the Irish (as a people, a state and a government) do not like the term "British Isles" and instead prefer IONA. (Islands Of The North Atlantic)
Thus I was taught (during/post the peace process) that the British Isles did not include Eire, while IONA did, however I'd be pretty certain that this wasn't the original definition, and that perhaps originally the British Isles did include Eire, before the term IONA was invented to appease the Irish, with the British Isles then being adapted to not include Eire. Some of the older here may see this as "political correctness" - but I'm not going any nearer that minefield than I already am.
Hopefully that has updated Hassan's clear and concise post, bearing in mind the two technicalities he missed, namely the sections of the UK away from the mainland and the Crown Dependencies. If anyone wants to know more about the latter, I did a presentation on it for A Level Politics, and can talk for England (ho ho ho - bad jokes!) on it.
Or in short, Andi's right to not include Ireland. (Or Eire as I'd call it!)
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The British Isles is a geographical term referring to a collection of land masses. Great Britain, United Kingdom, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland etc. (and I think Eire as well, referring purely to the Republic) are all political terms and could change as necessary.
That is why the British Isles includes Ireland, geographists (or whatever their collective term is) don't really care that they govern themselves in a part of the second largest land mass.
Hope that helps!
That is why the British Isles includes Ireland, geographists (or whatever their collective term is) don't really care that they govern themselves in a part of the second largest land mass.
Hope that helps!
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I think you'll find it's "boring farts".al wrote:geographists (or whatever their collective term is)
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Thing is, I think that Andi's just going to do what he wants.
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So do I, and good on him for doing that! I just thought I'd try and be helpful, even if I might end up sounding like a "boring fart", if that quote was aimed at me. If so, that may also have been fair too. However I did like being a Geographer (a.k.a. a Geographeristologarian) and if that's the worst that can happen to me for being one then that's fine by me too!
Andi: any ideas when prospectively this may take place?
Andi: any ideas when prospectively this may take place?
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Oh no, it wasn't aimed at you at all! It was generally a reference to the uninspiring geography teachers I had at school.Mitchell&BrownLook wrote:even if I might end up sounding like a "boring fart", if that quote was aimed at me.
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late 2010 is a possibility or early 2011 with something of this magnitude it needs a lot of planning think 22 full networks in a row.Mitchell&BrownLook wrote:So do I, and good on him for doing that! I just thought I'd try and be helpful, even if I might end up sounding like a "boring fart", if that quote was aimed at me. If so, that may also have been fair too. However I did like being a Geographer (a.k.a. a Geographeristologarian) and if that's the worst that can happen to me for being one then that's fine by me too!
Andi: any ideas when prospectively this may take place?
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Bump! Right well the 1st part of this ride has been decided upon
Bournemouth Pier - Southbourne (along seafront)
Southbourne - Hengistbury Head (little boat across to mudeford)
Mudeford - Milford on sea a337/b3058 (incorporating Barton on sea)
Milford on sea - Lymington (boat across to Yarmouth)
Yarmouth -Bembridge (using the coast road a3055 then b3395)
bembridge - Cowes (b3330/a3054/a3021) (boat to southampton)
Southampton - Fareham (a27)
Fareham - Gosport (via Lee on solent taking coast roads where possible) (ferry to portsmouth)
Portsmouth - Eastney (boat across Langstone Harbour)
Hayling Island - Bognor regis (By whatever roads can take)
Bognor Regis - Newhaven using the main road and local roads close to sea
Newhaven - Eastbourne (stopping off at Beachy head)
Eastbourne - Pevensey
pevensey - Hastings via bexhill
Hastings - East guildeford
hastings - Dungeness power station and railway
Dungeness power station - Folkestone
folkestone - deal via dover using the local roads
deal - sandwich using coast road
sandwich - margate via ramsgate and broadstairs
Margate - Whitstable (where my uncle lives this is PART 1)
Bournemouth Pier - Southbourne (along seafront)
Southbourne - Hengistbury Head (little boat across to mudeford)
Mudeford - Milford on sea a337/b3058 (incorporating Barton on sea)
Milford on sea - Lymington (boat across to Yarmouth)
Yarmouth -Bembridge (using the coast road a3055 then b3395)
bembridge - Cowes (b3330/a3054/a3021) (boat to southampton)
Southampton - Fareham (a27)
Fareham - Gosport (via Lee on solent taking coast roads where possible) (ferry to portsmouth)
Portsmouth - Eastney (boat across Langstone Harbour)
Hayling Island - Bognor regis (By whatever roads can take)
Bognor Regis - Newhaven using the main road and local roads close to sea
Newhaven - Eastbourne (stopping off at Beachy head)
Eastbourne - Pevensey
pevensey - Hastings via bexhill
Hastings - East guildeford
hastings - Dungeness power station and railway
Dungeness power station - Folkestone
folkestone - deal via dover using the local roads
deal - sandwich using coast road
sandwich - margate via ramsgate and broadstairs
Margate - Whitstable (where my uncle lives this is PART 1)
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Newhaven to Eastbourne is going to seriously hurt!
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And Bournemouth to Bournemouth via everywhere isn't?!
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