The Craziest R15 Twist Idea EVER?

[hopeful traveller]

15 minutes before the start, a few people are given the list unlike everybody else, but are not allowed to show it to anyone else. These people would ideally need to be non-participants. They have one objective: to 'intercept' the people on the R15. They will start 15 minutes AFTER everybody else and will attempt to 'hit' the participants (i.e. 'catch' them). If a participant is 'hit', the interceptor may spend up to ten minutes escorting them to any station the interceptor pleases.

Worked example:

If Tom, Dick, and Harry are the interceptors, and Andrew, Robert, Dom, Sam, Mark, Melvin, and Filius are on the R15, this is how it would work. Baker Street is the start station. Tom, Dick, and Harry get the list with 15 minutes to go (12:15), and are not allowed to show it to anyone else, not even themselves. The rest kick off as normal at 12:30. Tom, Dick, and Harry get planning time and do not kick off until 12:45. Let's say that Great Portland Street, Caledonian Road, and Camden Town are on the list. Tom guesses that someone has gone to Camden Town, so heads there from Baker Street to try to 'hit' them, but misses. Dick bumps into Andrew on the subsurface and uses up 10 minutes escorting Andrew to Maida Vale (because it's a pain in the arse for the challenger).

This continues as per normal until the 4 hour time limit is up. Alternatively, Robocop could be retired after 1 or 2 hours.

[A Challenge]

That might work, but whoever is the 'inteceptor' wouldn't be able to take part in the R15 and so this may be a problem if nobody actually wants to do it and this is the chosen twist then there will be a problem and/or no twist!

[RJSRdg]

Unless everyone became an interceptor as well as a competitor after they'd done at least two stations - that way you'd be trying to send the person you'd intercepted somewhere they had already been but you hadn't! Not sure how well that would work! (Perhaps each competitor could be given a different starting position and be texted the full list at 12:30 - which might be an interesting enough twist in itself!).


Back to the original idea though - would the interceptor release their captive before the 10 minutes are up or at the next station after the 10 minutes are uo?
And would they be restricted to using the Tube or could they send their captors on a different mode of transport? Would they have to stay inside Zones 1 & 2?

Even if just on the Tube, if you were allowed to release at the next station after the 10 mins are uo, it would be possible to put someone on say the Metropolitan to Wembley Park and using rail as well all sorts of possibilities could open up (Victoria to East Croydon?). Indeed played at its ultimate nastiness players put on NR trains to their first stop could wind up in places as far away as Taunton, Congleton or York! Maybe even Paris....

[A Challenge]

Paris is stupid and impractical and which intercepts who?

[The Orange One]

We should restrict the interception to Zones 1-6; since we're using Z1-6 travelcards that makes sense. Still could send someone to Orpington though

[DavidC]

I never thought that I would invoke the eighth amendment of the US constitution in this forum, but sending someone to Orpington is blatantly a "cruel and unusual punishment"

[RJSRdg]

Paris is stupid and impractical and which intercepts who?

I know, I got a little carried away on that one....

[The Orange One]

If you timed it right, you could send someone to Coventry I think the interception should be "10 minutes or less". I also would ban intercepting the same person twice.

As for who does the interception, we ask around - we don't need tube challengers to do the interception, anyone will do. We could call in Tangy's dad, or some of the Browns, or Myles, or some member of the Geofftech gang (I shall call them this from now on), or the Rail Riders Group, or retired challengers, or Tubeguru... maybe not that last one.

I also think that if we do this, we should start somewhere big (Baker Street, King's Cross St. Pancras, Embankment or Bank are really the only options at the moment), and cut the challenger's headstart down to 30 seconds. That way, the initial few minutes are crucial (especially as depending where you are, Wembley Stadium, Tottenham Hale, East Croydon, Surbiton or Orpington are all very much possibilities), and it greatly increases the chance of interception.

As for the interception itself, I would make physical contact necessary to intercept the subject in the first place. I'm imagining someone desperately running down an S Stock, chased by an interceptor...

[A Challenge]

you could send someone to Coventry I think the interception should be "10 minutes or less".

I agree with that so that you can have a chance when you have been intercepted as by the time you get back from even Orpington then your time will be restricted too much with the time limit of four hours - even if it is extended then you will be behind the fastest runner as it is the running speed not (on the spot) planing that makes the difference.

I also would ban intercepting the same person twice.

I don't agree with that one though, however.

As for who does the interception, we ask around - we don't need tube challengers to do the interception, anyone will do. We could call in ... or Tubeguru... maybe not that last one.

No, doesn't tubeguru compete anyway (correct me if I am wrong)

I also think that if we do this, we should start somewhere big (Baker Street, King's Cross St. Pancras, Embankment or Bank are really the only options at the moment), and cut the challenger's headstart down to 30 seconds. That way, the initial few minutes are crucial (especially as depending where you are, Wembley Stadium, Tottenham Hale, East Croydon, Surbiton or Orpington are all very much possibilities), and it greatly increases the chance of interception.

Yes, start somewhere big, but more than 30 seconds (45 seconds or 1 minute)

As for the interception itself, I would make physical contact necessary to intercept the subject in the first place. I'm imagining someone desperately running down an S Stock, chased by an interceptor...

That is not unlikely, especially with 30 or 40 seconds and then there might be some unpleased TfL staff as a resault.

[The Orange One]

you could send someone to Coventry I think the interception should be "10 minutes or less".

I agree with that so that you can have a chance when you have been intercepted as by the time you get back from even Orpington then your time will be restricted too much with the time limit of four hours - even if it is extended then you will be behind the fastest runner as it is the running speed not (on the spot) planing that makes the difference.

No, that's so you can abandon someone on a train to Orpington that leaves 8 minutes after you have intercepted them without having to go with them, and therefore can go and find someone else. Anyway, the time limit will be greater for this round because of this.

I also would ban intercepting the same person twice.

I don't agree with that one though, however.

This one is so you can't immediately grab the same person after the 10 minutes are up. That could be catastrophic!

As for who does the interception, we ask around - we don't need tube challengers to do the interception, anyone will do. We could call in ... or Tubeguru... maybe not that last one.

No, doesn't tubeguru compete anyway (correct me if I am wrong)

Tubeguru, compete in a Random 15?

I also think that if we do this, we should start somewhere big (Baker Street, King's Cross St. Pancras, Embankment or Bank are really the only options at the moment), and cut the challenger's headstart down to 30 seconds. That way, the initial few minutes are crucial (especially as depending where you are, Wembley Stadium, Tottenham Hale, East Croydon, Surbiton or Orpington are all very much possibilities), and it greatly increases the chance of interception.

Yes, start somewhere big, but more than 30 seconds (45 seconds or 1 minute)

You have never seen our starts! After 1 minute we're down at platform level.

As for the interception itself, I would make physical contact necessary to intercept the subject in the first place. I'm imagining someone desperately running down an S Stock, chased by an interceptor...

That is not unlikely, especially with 30 or 40 seconds and then there might be some unpleased TfL staff as a result.

There are always displeased TfL staff. "NO RUNNING!!" - is the cry of staff members everywhere as we pass them.

[A Challenge]

you could send someone to Coventry I think the interception should be "10 minutes or less".

I agree with that so that you can have a chance when you have been intercepted as by the time you get back from even Orpington then your time will be restricted too much with the time limit of four hours - even if it is extended then you will be behind the fastest runner as it is the running speed not (on the spot) planing that makes the difference.

No, that's so you can abandon someone on a train to Orpington that leaves 8 minutes after you have intercepted them without having to go with them, and therefore can go and find someone else. Anyway, the time limit will be greater for this round because of this.

I think that the time limit will indeed need to be increased to probably 6 hours.

I also would ban intercepting the same person twice.

I don't agree with that one though, however.

This one is so you can't immediately grab the same person after the 10 minutes are up. That could be catastrophic!

Put in a ban on intercepting again within 20 minutes or something.

As for who does the interception, we ask around - we don't need tube challengers to do the interception, anyone will do. We could call in ... or Tubeguru... maybe not that last one.

No, doesn't tubeguru compete anyway (correct me if I am wrong)

Tubeguru, compete in a Random 15?

I thought he did, sorry. He should, though!

I also think that if we do this, we should start somewhere big (Baker Street, King's Cross St. Pancras, Embankment or Bank are really the only options at the moment), and cut the challenger's headstart down to 30 seconds. That way, the initial few minutes are crucial (especially as depending where you are, Wembley Stadium, Tottenham Hale, East Croydon, Surbiton or Orpington are all very much possibilities), and it greatly increases the chance of interception.

Yes, start somewhere big, but more than 30 seconds (45 seconds or 1 minute)

You have never seen our starts! After 1 minute we're down at platform level.

I haven't but down at platform level seems about the correct time to release the interceptors but I suppose 45 seconds might be OK, but if there are the 'unopenable' envolopes then people might still be at the start!

As for the interception itself, I would make physical contact necessary to intercept the subject in the first place. I'm imagining someone desperately running down an S Stock, chased by an interceptor...

That is not unlikely, especially with 30 or 40 seconds and then there might be some unpleased TfL staff as a result.

There are always displeased TfL staff. "NO RUNNING!!" - is the cry of staff members everywhere as we pass them.

In the trains is worse though, at least once you are on the train you only move to the correct door position!

[The Orange One]

I also would ban intercepting the same person twice.

I don't agree with that one though, however.

This one is so you can't immediately grab the same person after the 10 minutes are up. That could be catastrophic!

Put in a ban on intercepting again within 20 minutes or something.

That would also work. We could also change it to "you cannot intercept the same person twice in a row".

I also think that if we do this, we should start somewhere big (Baker Street, King's Cross St. Pancras, Embankment or Bank are really the only options at the moment), and cut the challenger's headstart down to 30 seconds. That way, the initial few minutes are crucial (especially as depending where you are, Wembley Stadium, Tottenham Hale, East Croydon, Surbiton or Orpington are all very much possibilities), and it greatly increases the chance of interception.

Yes, start somewhere big, but more than 30 seconds (45 seconds or 1 minute)

You have never seen our starts! After 1 minute we're down at platform level.

I haven't but down at platform level seems about the correct time to release the interceptors but I suppose 45 seconds might be OK, but if there are the 'unopenable' envolopes then people might still be at the start!

With a large station like Baker Street, there are enough places to hide or trains serving it per hour that 30 seconds could work. Besides, the fun bit is the "desperately escape the interceptor through any means possible (e.g. jump on the first train you can find no matter if it's any good, hide on an emergency staircase etc.) before they can dump me on a train to Orpington".

I'm usually halfway down the escalators before I get the envelope open anyway.

As for the interception itself, I would make physical contact necessary to intercept the subject in the first place. I'm imagining someone desperately running down an S Stock, chased by an interceptor...

That is not unlikely, especially with 30 or 40 seconds and then there might be some unpleased TfL staff as a result.

There are always displeased TfL staff. "NO RUNNING!!" - is the cry of staff members everywhere as we pass them.

In the trains is worse though, at least once you are on the train you only move to the correct door position!

In the trains isn't that much of a problem. Besides, if you're on board an S Stock with an interceptor, you're in trouble (unless you are between Cannon Street and Monument or Mansion House to Cannon Street, where you have a very slim chance).

[A Challenge]

I also would ban intercepting the same person twice.

I don't agree with that one though, however.

This one is so you can't immediately grab the same person after the 10 minutes are up. That could be catastrophic!

Put in a ban on intercepting again within 20 minutes or something.

That would also work. We could also change it to "you cannot intercept the same person twice in a row".

Yes, that could work but if you go completely away, can't find anybody else and run across the same person again then it might not work. Instead, a ban on intercepting again within 20 minutes is better.

I also think that if we do this, we should start somewhere big (Baker Street, King's Cross St. Pancras, Embankment or Bank are really the only options at the moment), and cut the challenger's headstart down to 30 seconds. That way, the initial few minutes are crucial (especially as depending where you are, Wembley Stadium, Tottenham Hale, East Croydon, Surbiton or Orpington are all very much possibilities), and it greatly increases the chance of interception.

Yes, start somewhere big, but more than 30 seconds (45 seconds or 1 minute)

You have never seen our starts! After 1 minute we're down at platform level.

I haven't but down at platform level seems about the correct time to release the interceptors but I suppose 45 seconds might be OK, but if there are the 'unopenable' envolopes then people might still be at the start!

With a large station like Baker Street, there are enough places to hide or trains serving it per hour that 30 seconds could work. Besides, the fun bit is the "desperately escape the interceptor through any means possible (e.g. jump on the first train you can find no matter if it's any good, hide on an emergency staircase etc.) before they can dump me on a train to Orpington".

I'm usually halfway down the escalators before I get the envelope open anyway.

Prehaps, but it will open up, for example if the start is Stockwell then going to Brixton or towards Morden (cross platform is same direction) so it is take the first southbound and go an odd way to any station (Southeastern from Brixton/Southern from Balham).

As for the interception itself, I would make physical contact necessary to intercept the subject in the first place. I'm imagining someone desperately running down an S Stock, chased by an interceptor...

That is not unlikely, especially with 30 or 40 seconds and then there might be some unpleased TfL staff as a result.

There are always displeased TfL staff. "NO RUNNING!!" - is the cry of staff members everywhere as we pass them.

In the trains is worse though, at least once you are on the train you only move to the correct door position!

In the trains isn't that much of a problem. Besides, if you're on board an S Stock with an interceptor, you're in trouble (unless you are between Cannon Street and Monument or Mansion House to Cannon Street, where you have a very slim chance).

If it is crowded you have a chance!

[The Orange One]

I also think that if we do this, we should start somewhere big (Baker Street, King's Cross St. Pancras, Embankment or Bank are really the only options at the moment), and cut the challenger's headstart down to 30 seconds. That way, the initial few minutes are crucial (especially as depending where you are, Wembley Stadium, Tottenham Hale, East Croydon, Surbiton or Orpington are all very much possibilities), and it greatly increases the chance of interception.

Yes, start somewhere big, but more than 30 seconds (45 seconds or 1 minute)

You have never seen our starts! After 1 minute we're down at platform level.

I haven't but down at platform level seems about the correct time to release the interceptors but I suppose 45 seconds might be OK, but if there are the 'unopenable' envolopes then people might still be at the start!

With a large station like Baker Street, there are enough places to hide or trains serving it per hour that 30 seconds could work. Besides, the fun bit is the "desperately escape the interceptor through any means possible (e.g. jump on the first train you can find no matter if it's any good, hide on an emergency staircase etc.) before they can dump me on a train to Orpington".

I'm usually halfway down the escalators before I get the envelope open anyway.

Perhaps, but it will open up, for example if the start is Stockwell then going to Brixton or towards Morden (cross platform is same direction) so it is take the first southbound and go an odd way to any station (Southeastern from Brixton/Southern from Balham).

Exactly my point; only 30 seconds is necessary to escape the interceptors. Any more and most people will be on their way before the 1 minute is up; frequencies are high enough on the Victoria and Northern lines that you should be able to board a train, any train remember, out of Stockwell within a minute. Of course for something like Clapham South, some more time should be left. Less time for Great Portland Street as although train frequencies are low, people have the opportunity scatter to Regent's Park or Warren Street and come back to GPS. It should be taken on a station by station basis, but you should not leave too long or the pursued could be lost completely.

[A Challenge]

I also think that if we do this, we should start somewhere big (Baker Street, King's Cross St. Pancras, Embankment or Bank are really the only options at the moment), and cut the challenger's headstart down to 30 seconds. That way, the initial few minutes are crucial (especially as depending where you are, Wembley Stadium, Tottenham Hale, East Croydon, Surbiton or Orpington are all very much possibilities), and it greatly increases the chance of interception.

Yes, start somewhere big, but more than 30 seconds (45 seconds or 1 minute)

You have never seen our starts! After 1 minute we're down at platform level.

I haven't but down at platform level seems about the correct time to release the interceptors but I suppose 45 seconds might be OK, but if there are the 'unopenable' envolopes then people might still be at the start!

With a large station like Baker Street, there are enough places to hide or trains serving it per hour that 30 seconds could work. Besides, the fun bit is the "desperately escape the interceptor through any means possible (e.g. jump on the first train you can find no matter if it's any good, hide on an emergency staircase etc.) before they can dump me on a train to Orpington".

I'm usually halfway down the escalators before I get the envelope open anyway.

Perhaps, but it will open up, for example if the start is Stockwell then going to Brixton or towards Morden (cross platform is same direction) so it is take the first southbound and go an odd way to any station (Southeastern from Brixton/Southern from Balham).

Exactly my point; only 30 seconds is necessary to escape the interceptors. Any more and most people will be on their way before the 1 minute is up; frequencies are high enough on the Victoria and Northern lines that you should be able to board a train, any train remember, out of Stockwell within a minute. Of course for something like Clapham South, some more time should be left. Less time for Great Portland Street as although train frequencies are low, people have the opportunity scatter to Regent's Park or Warren Street and come back to GPS. It should be taken on a station by station basis, but you should not leave too long or the pursued could be lost completely.

Station-by-station is the best idea I think as Clapham Common, GPS and KXSP need different timings lengths.

sorry about the quote (quote inside quote) limit.