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Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 18:25
by GuyBarry
A Challenge wrote:GuyBarry wrote:You've said that the station wasn't on the pre-nationalization Southern Railway...
Where? (I am not saying that is wrong, though)
You've said so twice. DavidC asked "Was the station covered by the Railways Act 1921?" (which created the Southern Railway), and you said no. Then I asked you to confirm:
I'm not allowed another question, but I just want to confirm what I understand so far: the station did not become one of the "Big Four" (GWR, SR, LMS, LNER) in 1923, but it did become part of British Railways in 1948. Given my limited knowledge of railway history, I'm rather glad someone else has got the next question!
You said "correct".
Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 18:25
by A Challenge
GuyBarry wrote:Can I make sure I've got everything right so far? As far as I'm aware, you've told us:
(1) The station has direct services to London.
(2) The station did not become part of the Southern Railway in 1923.
(3) The station became part of BR's Southern Region in 1948.
As far as I understand it, Southern Region consisted of all the former Southern Railway network plus a few independent light rail lines. Those latter lines wouldn't have direct services to London. No new railway lines were built in the area between 1923 and 1948 (as far as I know). Therefore the only possibility is that the station opened on an existing line some time between 1923 and 1948.
Can you confirm this?
Yes (13/20)
If anyone wants to not help the effort to find me again I will PM them my explanation.
Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 18:27
by A Challenge
A Challenge wrote:
You've said so twice. DavidC asked "Was the station covered by the Railways Act 1921?" (which created the Southern Railway), and you said yes. Then I asked you to confirm:
I did say no:
A Challenge wrote:DavidC wrote:Was it covered by the Railways Act of 1921 ?
No
Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 18:28
by GuyBarry
A Challenge wrote:GuyBarry wrote:A Challenge wrote:
You've said so twice. DavidC asked "Was the station covered by the Railways Act 1921?" (which created the Southern Railway), and you said yes. Then I asked you to confirm:
I did say no:
A Challenge wrote:DavidC wrote:Was it covered by the Railways Act of 1921 ?
No
Sorry, I meant "no", not "yes"!
Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 18:34
by The Orange One
Oh, very important question, because I can't find any one answer to this.
Does Berkshire border Greater London?
This is not relevant to the station, this is relevant to your definition of the boundaries of Berkshire, so this does not count as a question.
Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 18:43
by A Challenge
The Orange One wrote:Does Berkshire border Greater London?
Yes (13/20)
Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 18:48
by GuyBarry
Am I allowed the next question?
(That wasn't one of the questions either!)
Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 18:54
by A Challenge
GuyBarry wrote:Am I allowed the next question?
(That wasn't one of the questions either!)
No (13/20)
Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 19:29
by The Orange One
We already know:
- It was part of Southern Region prior to sectorisation
- It was not covered by the Railways Act 1921
- It was open at least on the 1st of January 1948, and is open now
- It's south of the Thames (it's not north of the Thames, but the only station that straddles the Thames to my knowledge is Blackfriars and that's inside the M25)
- It's outside the M25 (this precludes all parts of the London Underground + the East London Railway)
- It HAS direct services to London (I take from the way that question was worded that direct services continue to this day)
- It's therefore in Surrey, Berkshire or Kent (county bordering Greater London, station south of the Thames).
I'm assuming that by "direct services into London" it has direct trains to a London Terminus (with the restrictions this is precisely the set of London Bridge, London Cannon Street, London Charing Cross, London Waterloo, London Victoria, London Blackfriars and London St Pancras International - High Speed Section).
To my knowledge, all direct trains into these termini are the preserve of Thameslink, South West Trains, Southern or Southeastern.
These are all the stations in Surrey, Kent or Berkshire (though none in Berkshire) which opened between 1923 and 1948 and are outside the M25. So my next question is, is it one of these six stations?
Longcross (Waterloo to Reading Line, 1942, irregular peak hours service to Waterloo)
Aylesham (Dover Branch/Chatham Main Line, 1928, Victoria)
Chelsfield & Swalecliffe (Ramsgate Branch/Chatham Main Line, 1930, Victoria)
Dumpton Park (Ramsgate Branch/Chatham Main Line, 1926, Victoria)
Kemsley (Sheerness-on-Sea Line, 1927, a couple of trains to Victoria)
Ramsgate (Loads of lines, 1926, Charing Cross/Victoria/St Pancras International)
Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 19:50
by A Challenge
The Orange One wrote:So my next question is, is it one of these six stations?
Longcross (Waterloo to Reading Line, 1942, irregular peak hours service to Waterloo)
Aylesham (Dover Branch/Chatham Main Line, 1928, Victoria)
Chelsfield & Swalecliffe (Ramsgate Branch/Chatham Main Line, 1930, Victoria)
Dumpton Park (Ramsgate Branch/Chatham Main Line, 1926, Victoria)
Kemsley (Sheerness-on-Sea Line, 1927, a couple of trains to Victoria)
Ramsgate (Loads of lines, 1926, Charing Cross/Victoria/St Pancras International)
No (
Actually 13/20)
Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 19:51
by GuyBarry
Well, I got as far as doing all the Kent stations and my list agrees with The Orange One's! This is puzzling...
EDIT: Going through Surrey now. I think he may have missed one.
Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 20:04
by DavidC
Is the station at a location related to a railway authorised under the Light Railways Act of 1896 ?
Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 20:09
by The Orange One
I'm stumped now. Really stumped. I am absolutely and completely bewildered.
That's not a question either, that's a statement of fact.
As regards the Surrey stations, most of the stations opened in the 1923-1948 period are within the M25 (Byfleet & New Haw, Epsom as it was resited, Hersham, Hinchley Wood, Stoneleigh, Upper Halliford), leaving Longcross as the sole outside-the-M25 station.
I wasn't able to find anything in Berkshire that fulfilled the criteria.
Oh, wait, is it one of Headcorn or Shepherds Well? (This actually is a question; they are the Network Rail-extant termini of the afore-mentioned independent light railways, the Kent and East Sussex and the East Kent respectively).
Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 20:13
by DavidC
Oh, wait, is it one of Headcorn or Shepherds Well? (This actually is a question; they are the Network Rail-extant termini of the afore-mentioned independent light railways, the Kent and East Sussex and the East Kent respectively).
Those two are precisely why I have just asked the LRA question. In terms of layout, I don't think Sheperdswell would qualify but I will happily preempt the answers and ask "Is it Headcorn ?".
Re: Where am I? ALL UK STATIONS!
Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 20:16
by DavidC
[Please add an h and maybe even a space and maybe even capitalise a w in my last comment as you see fit]