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Re: Rare Entries XVI - Train Stations

Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 20:33
by A Challenge
A Challenge wrote:
tubeguru wrote:You are both wrong.

https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/about-tfl/ ... overground

This particular sentence stands out:

"Network Rail manages and maintains most of the track and signals, as London Overground is part of the National Rail network."
I take it as being so only from November (2016):
Transport for London wrote:In April 2016 we announced that Arriva will begin to manage the network's stations and trains on a day-to-day basis from November 2016. Arriva replaces London Overground Rail Operations Ltd which was appointed as operator in 2007.

© TfL
But before this, it is TfL! Also on the LRTSM it is a solid line, which is for TfL only, in oppose to the white boxes in the NR lines!
tubeguru wrote:Your arguments would never stand up in court.
I have a chance in this court but as he isn't appointed to the Queen's Counsel... (for those who aren't political know-it-alls)

Re: Rare Enteries XVI - Train Stations

Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 21:19
by jamesthegill
jamesthegill wrote:every new quiz setter has to go through the Tube Forum Baptism of Pedantic Fire eventually!

Re: Rare Enteries XVI - Train Stations

Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 21:21
by Tube Geek
jamesthegill wrote:
jamesthegill wrote:every new quiz setter has to go through the Tube Forum Baptism of Pedantic Fire eventually!
Did you mean to just quote yourself there, or was something meant to be after it?

Re: Rare Enteries XVI - Train Stations

Posted: 27 Apr 2016, 06:54
by tubeguru
Tube Geek wrote:
jamesthegill wrote:
jamesthegill wrote:every new quiz setter has to go through the Tube Forum Baptism of Pedantic Fire eventually!
Did you mean to just quote yourself there, or was something meant to be after it?

Re: Rare Enteries XVI - Train Stations

Posted: 27 Apr 2016, 08:35
by jamesthegill
Tube Geek wrote:
jamesthegill wrote:
jamesthegill wrote:every new quiz setter has to go through the Tube Forum Baptism of Pedantic Fire eventually!
Did you mean to just quote yourself there, or was something meant to be after it?
I did - I was proving my point about the pedantry inherent with any quiz on here.

Re: Rare Entries XVI - Train Stations

Posted: 27 Apr 2016, 08:57
by GuyBarry
tubeguru wrote: "Network Rail manages and maintains most of the track and signals, as London Overground is part of the National Rail network."
What about the East London line though? That was never part of National Rail - as far as I know, TfL and its predecessors have always managed the track and signals there.

Re: Rare Entries XVI - Train Stations

Posted: 27 Apr 2016, 11:07
by Steeevooo
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations_ ... /maps.aspx

This page from the National Rail website notes the following for the London's Rail & Tube services map:
London's Rail & Tube services map (which replaces the former London Connections map) shows all National Rail routes and stations within the Greater London area, together with London Underground, Docklands Light Railway and London Tramlink services and stations.
Thereby showing that of the services in London, only the London Underground, Docklands Light Railway and London Tramlink are non-National Rail services.

Indeed, the London & the South East Map by Network Rail located here: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/css/Netwo ... _SEmap.pdf clearly show that the London Overground routes are part of the National Rail network.

QED m'lord.

Re: Rare Entries XVI - Train Stations

Posted: 27 Apr 2016, 11:09
by Steeevooo
GuyBarry wrote:
tubeguru wrote: "Network Rail manages and maintains most of the track and signals, as London Overground is part of the National Rail network."
What about the East London line though? That was never part of National Rail - as far as I know, TfL and its predecessors have always managed the track and signals there.
Don't get confused between Network Rail and National Rail! A National Rail service can run over tracks/signals not managed by Network Rail.

Re: Rare Entries XVI - Train Stations

Posted: 27 Apr 2016, 11:37
by tractakid
Steeevooo wrote:
GuyBarry wrote:
tubeguru wrote: "Network Rail manages and maintains most of the track and signals, as London Overground is part of the National Rail network."
What about the East London line though? That was never part of National Rail - as far as I know, TfL and its predecessors have always managed the track and signals there.
Don't get confused between Network Rail and National Rail! A National Rail service can run over tracks/signals not managed by Network Rail.
The other example is Chiltern from Harrow to Amersham.

Re: Rare Entries XVI - Train Stations

Posted: 27 Apr 2016, 13:13
by GuyBarry
Steeevooo wrote: Don't get confused between Network Rail and National Rail! A National Rail service can run over tracks/signals not managed by Network Rail.
Ah, I see - at least I think I do. "National Rail" is just a brand name rather than an actual organization, right?

Re: Rare Entries XVI - Train Stations

Posted: 10 May 2016, 21:10
by Tube Geek
A Challenge wrote:[
And, you could enter my RE XVII, which will be up by the end of the week.
Will it? :wink: