Rare Entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail)

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Rare Entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail)

Post by tangy » 29 Jan 2013, 21:50

Hopefully this rare entries quiz will be easier than the (now extended) previous one. It will also keep you lot happy whilst I compose some more railbenders.

Unless otherwise stated this quiz refers to National Rail and the constuient Train Operating Companies (TOCs) that have Franchise or Open Access agreements.

NOTES:
--GX and SN are considered separate for the purposes of this quiz.
--By scheduled, I mean the normal weekday timetable as per the NRT and/or printed TOC timetables.

1. Name any class of unit (DMU or EMU) that Northern Rail operates

2. Name a station that has 10 or more platform faces in use for National Rail trains

3. Name a station within the M25 that only has one platform in use

4. Name a "London Terminal" that is only used by ONE TOC throughout the day, as per the National Rail Timetable

5. Name any TOC that has trains that are timetabled to call at Crewe

6. Name any station served by request only on the Far North Line

7. Name any operator, since privatisation, that has operated a Class 150

8. Name a route that is scheduled to operate by class 455 units *please mention both terminii and via point if necassary* e.g. London Liv. St. - Chingford.

9. Name a station at which FGW IC125s are scheduled to call but all the passenger coaches cannot physically fit in the platform/s

0. Name a station that SWT serves but the station is NOT managed by SWT

Lets give it a week until 23:59:59 on Tuesday 05th February 2013 to submit your answers by PM ONLY.
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Re: Rare Entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail)

Post by The Raven » 30 Jan 2013, 00:26

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Re: Rare Entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail)

Post by tubeguru » 30 Jan 2013, 08:56

tangy wrote:2. Name a station that has 10 or more platforms in use for National Rail trains
Is there any distinction between physical platform faces and single platforms split into two platform "numbers"?
tangy wrote:9. Name a station at which FGW IC125s are scheduled to call but the whole train cannot physically fit in the platform/s
Do you mean the ENTIRE train, from the very tip of the nose one end to the very tip of the nose the other end, or are you only talking about coaches? Or are you only talking about all the doors being platformed? Naturally, I know most of these on the routes I sign, and I can forsee an argument starting if I give a valid answer and you deem it incorrect.
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Re: Rare Entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail)

Post by tangy » 30 Jan 2013, 19:06

tubeguru wrote: Is there any distinction between physical platform faces and single platforms split into two platform "numbers"?
Physical platform faces is what you answer should be based upon.
tubeguru wrote: Do you mean the ENTIRE train, from the very tip of the nose one end to the very tip of the nose the other end, or are you only talking about coaches? Or are you only talking about all the doors being platformed? Naturally, I know most of these on the routes I sign, and I can forsee an argument starting if I give a valid answer and you deem it incorrect.
All the passenger coaches must be on the platform, the power cars can hang off the ends.

I will amend th wording to these questions.
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Re: Rare Entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail)

Post by tangy » 05 Feb 2013, 19:00

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Re: Rare Entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail)

Post by tubeguru » 06 Feb 2013, 08:26

All three platforms at Par station can indeed accommodate a full 2+8 HST.
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Re: Rare Entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail)

Post by nozzacook » 06 Feb 2013, 09:52

If you read the timetable it is marked as having a short platform, also according to the timetable Truro is a short platform but in both cases all 8 carriages are platformed and all doors are opened.
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Re: Rare Entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail)

Post by tubeguru » 06 Feb 2013, 10:15

I think it's only marked as a "short platform" because of the stopping position of the front of the train in relation to the signals on one of the platforms. This means that maybe the last door might not be on the platform.

BUT, physically, the whole train will fit on the platform if the signal position was not an issue. Tangy did not ask about stopping positions, so Par should not be counted as a "short" platform.
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Re: Rare Entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail)

Post by tractakid » 06 Feb 2013, 12:44

Now that entries have closed, i'll reveal I used the list of stations on the 'cycle by train' PDF. http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/~/me ... v_2011.pdf
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Re: Rare Entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail)

Post by tubeguru » 06 Feb 2013, 15:01

Hmmm ... that list is by no means exhaustive, and is based purely on a train's stopping position in relation to signals, meaning that if the TGS was at the rear of the train (where it would normally be expected to be found at the front), then it will be off the platform.

There are plenty of other stations where signals are not an issue, and the TGS will be platformed, with some other portion of the train NOT platformed, such as at Exeter St. Thomas, Starcross, Cholsey, Pangbourne, Goring and Streatley, Totnes, Ivybridge, and so on.
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Post by Sam » 06 Feb 2013, 18:08

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Re: Rare Entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail)

Post by tangy » 07 Feb 2013, 00:11

Here is the answers and scores for rare entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail). In discussion with tubeguru I am implementing a new scoring system for this quiz, which is an idea from BBC quiz show Pointless.

It works as follows: Scoring is the product of the number of people that give the same answer as you for each question, and if you provide an incorrect answer for any question then you automatically receive 50 points.

1. Name any class of unit (DMU or EMU) that Northern Rail operates

Correct answers:
--Class 142 (2 points): The Raven, joy54
--Class 155 (2 points): tubeguru, greatkingrat
--Class 158 (2 points): Sam, starkey
--Class 333 (2 points): rhubarbrhubarb, scrxisi
--Class 144 (1 point): tractakid
--Class 153 (1 point): Al
--Class 156 (1 point): Garion
--Class 321 (1 point): nozzacook

Incorrect answers:
--NONE
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2. Name a station that has 10 or more platform faces in use for National Rail trains

Correct answers:
--London Liverpool Street (3 points): tubeguru, joy54, scrxisi
--Birmingham New Street (2 points): Al, nozzacook
--Leeds (1 point): starkey
--London Bridge (1 point): Garion
--Manchester Piccadilly (1 point): rhubarbrhubarb
--Newcastle Central (1 point): greatkingrat
--Reading (1 point): Sam
--Watford Junction (1 point): tractakid
--York (1 point): The Raven

Incorrect answers:
--NONE
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3. Name a station within the M25 that only has one platform in use

Correct answers:
--Emerson Park (2 points): starkey, The Raven
--Epsom Downs (2 points): joy54, scrxisi
--Watford North (2 points): tractakid, greatkingrat
--Birkbeck (1 point): rhubarbrhubarb
--Bricket Wood (1 point): Al
--Greenford (1 point): nozzacook
--Shepperton (1 point): Sam

Incorrect answers:
--Chesham (50 points): Garion
--Reeves Corner (50 points): tubeguru
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4. Name a "London Terminal" that is only used by ONE TOC throughout the day, as per the National Rail Timetable

Correct answers:
--London Cannon Street (3 points): greatkingrat, rhubarbrhubarb, scrxisi
--London Fenchurch Street (2 points): nozzacook, Garion
--Waterloo East (2 points): The Raven, Al
--City Thameslink (1 point): tubeguru
--London Charing Cross (1 point): joy54
--London Marylebone (1 point): starkey
--London Waterloo (1 point): Sam
--Vauxhall (1 point): tractakid

Incorrect answers:
--NONE
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5. Name any TOC that has trains that are timetabled to call at Crewe

Correct answers:
--East Midlands Trains (4 points): Sam, greatkingrat, Al, rhubarbrhubarb
--First ScotRail (3 points): tractakid, nozzacook, tubeguru
--Virgin Trains (2 points): The Raven, scrxisi
--Arriva Trains Wales (1 point): Garion
--Cross Country (1 point): starkey
--London Midland (1 point): joy54
Incorrect answers:
--NONE
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6. Name any station served by request only on the Far North Line

Correct answers:
--Altnabreac (4 points): starkey, The Raven, Garion, rhubarbrhubarb
--Kildonan (2 points): nozzacook, tubeguru
--Scotscalder (2 points): Sam, joy54
--Invershin (1 point): tractakid
--Kinbrace (1 point): Al
--Rogart (1 point): greatkingrat

Incorrect answers:
--Dingwall (50 points): scrxisi
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7. Name any operator, since privatisation that has operated a Class 150

Correct answers:
--Arriva Trains Wales (3 points): nozzacook, The Raven, Garion
--London Midland (2 points): tractakid, scrxisi
--Silverlink (2 points): Sam, tubeguru
--Central Trains (1 point): Al
--First Great Eastern (1 point): joy54
--First North Western (1 point): greatkingrat
--Northern Rail (1 point): starkey
--Wessex Trains (1 point): rhubarbrhubarb

Incorrect answers:
--NONE
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8. Name a route that is scheduled to operate by class 455 units *please mention both terminii and via point if necassary* e.g. London Liv. St. - Chingford.

Correct answers:
--London Bridge- Tattenham Corner (2 points): Al, rhubarbrhubarb
--London Bridge- Caterham (1 point): The Raven
--London Bridge- Dorking (1 point): joy54
--London Victoria- Dorking (1 point): scrxisi
--London Victoria- Epsom Downs (1 point): nozzacook
--London Victoria- Selhurst (1 point): greatkingrat
--London Victoria- Tattenham Corner (1 point): tubeguru
--London Waterloo- Chessington South (1 point): Sam
--London Waterloo- Woking (1 point): tractakid

Incorrect answers:
--Charing Cross- Dartford (50 points): starkey
--No answer given, pass (50 points): Garion
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9. Name a station at which FGW IC125s are scheduled to call but all the passenger coaches cannot physically fit in the platform/s

Correct answers:
--Colwall (2 points): Al, rhubarbrhubarb
--Dawlish Warren (1 point): Sam
--Evesham (1 point): tractakid
--Exeter St. Thomas (1 point): tubeguru
--Hayle (1 point): Nozzacook
--Lostwithiel (1 point): greatkingrat
--Maidenhead (1 point): starkey
--Manorbier (1 point): joy54
--Stonehouse (1 point): Garion

Incorrect answers:
--Castle Cary (50 points): The Raven
--Par (50 points): scrxisi
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0. Name a station that SWT serves but the station is NOT managed by SWT

Correct answers:
--Exeter Central (3 points): nozzacook, The Raven, rhubarbrhubarb
--Reading (3 points): starkey, al, Garion
--Mottisfont & Dunbridge (2 points): tubeguru, greatkingrat
--Ashtead (1 point): Sam
--Dean (1 point): tractakid
--Dorking (1 point): joy54
--Epsom (1 point): scrxisi

Incorrect answers:
--NONE

The scores are as follows:

1. Tractakid: 14 points
2. Joy54: 15 points
3. Sam: 16 points
4. Greatkingrat: 18 points
5=. Al: 19 points
5=. Nozzacook: 19 points
7. Rhubarbrhubarb: 23 points
8. Starkey: 66 points
9. Tubeguru: 67 points
10. The Raven: 70 points
11=. Garion: 116 points
11=. Scrxisi: 116 points

Thanks for participating and hoped you enjoyed taking part. Any disputes/comments/discussions then please feel free...

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Re: Rare Entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail)

Post by Sam » 07 Feb 2013, 00:15

City Thameslink has Southeastern AND FCC...
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Post by tangy » 07 Feb 2013, 00:26

Those joint SE/FCC trains between Kent and north London are only operated by SE south of Blackfriars. North of Blackfriars they become FCC operated even though it is a through train.

You may notice trains from Kent (e.g. Sevenoaks) say operator SE but going to Sevenoaks the operator says FCC, as the "switch" between operators happens at Blacks.

To quote the SET timetable book: FS- Service operated jointly by SET and FCC. Operated by FCC between Blackfriars and Bedford.

This is the criteria I used to mark this answer as correct, only FCC serve CTK.
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Re: Rare Entries Quiz II (Trains/Rail)

Post by joy54 » 07 Feb 2013, 00:28

tangy wrote: 4. Name a "London Terminal" that is only used by ONE TOC throughout the day, as per the National Rail Timetable

Correct answers:
--London Cannon Street (3 points): greatkingrat, rhubarbrhubarb, scrxisi
--London Fenchurch Street (2 points): nozzacook, Garion
--Waterloo East (2 points): The Raven, Al
--City Thameslink (1 point): tubeguru
--London Charing Cross (1 point): joy54
--London Marylebone (1 point): starkey
--London Waterloo (1 point): Sam
--Vauxhall (1 point): tractakid

Incorrect answers:
--NONE
I would argue that Vauxhall almost certainly and perhaps Waterloo East should be classed as incorrect.

Firstly you stated we had to name a "London Terminal" and neither Vauxhall or Waterloo East are termini. Secondly you stated your arbiter for whether answers are correct or not for this question is the NRT and from what I can see Vauxhall is omitted as a London station altogether in the stations list.

I am assuming you have accepted answers here which are included in the list of stations which "London Terminals" tickets are valid to travel to but this concept has no bearing on the NRT. It also has an additional "s" so if you were attempting to refer to this list the question should have been worded "Name a station on the "London Terminals" ticketing list that is only used by ONE TOC throughout the day, as per the National Rail Timetable"

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