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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by geofftech » 25 Jul 2013, 21:55

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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by The Raven » 25 Jul 2013, 22:00

hopeful traveller wrote:My plan trounces you all. :twisted:
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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by palkanetoijala31 » 25 Jul 2013, 22:07

geofftech wrote:oh great, another classic "i've got a great thing to tell you, but i'm not going to tell you". just what we need.

there and back would only add 20 minutes to the overall time off of a NW start, so unless any of these alternatives can beat that, the simplest way is going to be to do nothing fancy at all!

of course if the first Chesham train of the day still goes round the North Curve to Watford Junction though, that'll be interesting...

do London Midland trains stop at both Watford Junction, and then fast to H&W? no need to get a slow stopping Overground service, right?
Well if Mr politician does have a plan which on personal expierance of his tube exploits wont be anything special I think it is his right to stay silent on it

You can hardly have a go at him Geoff seeing as you continually bring up that you do runs that people haven't done before or have even thought about would you care to tell us those runs hmm let me think probably not!.

would I give away the current record starting and finish points connections hmm let me think no and why should I or steve do so so im sticking behind mr rhys on this one

besides any possible alternatives you have 3 years to discuss research timetable plan run dismiss think again outside box inside box around the box etc

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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by tractakid » 25 Jul 2013, 22:15

geofftech wrote:oh great, another classic "i've got a great thing to tell you, but i'm not going to tell you". just what we need.

there and back would only add 20 minutes to the overall time off of a NW start, so unless any of these alternatives can beat that, the simplest way is going to be to do nothing fancy at all!

of course if the first Chesham train of the day still goes round the North Curve to Watford Junction though, that'll be interesting...

do London Midland trains stop at both Watford Junction, and then fast to H&W? no need to get a slow stopping Overground service, right?
London Midland and Southern. All Southerns do, although there are quite a few LM trains that don't stop at Watford Junction and/or Harrow and Wealdstone. Frequency is LM- 2tph off peak, SN 1tph off peak.

In response to your first comment... I can't work out whether you are an advocate for secrecy or telling everyone everything.
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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by tractakid » 25 Jul 2013, 22:33

Just read this on Wikipedia... (it must be true!)

"London TravelWatch believes that there is a business case for a Croxley Rail Link that retains Watford station as part of a split service, albeit with fewer overall benefits than LUL’s preferred option. The Panel recommends that a split service is trialled, serving both Watford and Watford Junction stations, to determine passenger numbers and issues involved with the running of a split service prior to a final decision on the closure of Watford station. The trial could last for two years from the opening of the Croxley Rail Link to 2018 when the new signalling is due to be completed on the Metropolitan line when there will, presumably, be major re-timetabling programme."

Should this happen... would the record be reset for 2 years or would everything effectively be 'on hold'?
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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by tubeguru » 26 Jul 2013, 04:54

geofftech wrote:oh great, another classic "i've got a great thing to tell you, but i'm not going to tell you". just what we need.
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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by jamesthegill » 26 Jul 2013, 06:19

tractakid wrote:Just read this on Wikipedia... (it must be true!)

"London TravelWatch believes that there is a business case for a Croxley Rail Link that retains Watford station as part of a split service, albeit with fewer overall benefits than LUL’s preferred option. The Panel recommends that a split service is trialled, serving both Watford and Watford Junction stations, to determine passenger numbers and issues involved with the running of a split service prior to a final decision on the closure of Watford station. The trial could last for two years from the opening of the Croxley Rail Link to 2018 when the new signalling is due to be completed on the Metropolitan line when there will, presumably, be major re-timetabling programme."

Should this happen... would the record be reset for 2 years or would everything effectively be 'on hold'?
According to the article posted on London Reconnections:

"As a result of the restricted costs, there is an emphasis on reusing existing assets to create the extension. This means that those expecting some element of the existing track and station at Watford to remain in place for future use will probably be disappointed. Track and ballast will be pulled up and reused where possible, and the ticket machines and other internal station assets will likely be reused at Ascot Road."
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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by tractakid » 26 Jul 2013, 10:20

Which seems like the most likely and most sensible option. But what if...
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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by The Raven » 26 Jul 2013, 11:59

If equipment and parts where transported from Watford to Ascot Road, then Watford would presumably close before the extention.
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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by greatkingrat » 26 Jul 2013, 20:19

They could still keep enough of the track to stable a couple of trains, without needing to go all the way to Watford (Met).
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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by Going Underground » 27 Jul 2013, 09:45

In fact everyone is missing a trick on this :wink:
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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by hopeful traveller » 27 Jul 2013, 10:31

Going Underground wrote:In fact everyone is missing a trick on this :wink:
I have a funny feeling that that's what I'm thinking...
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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by tractakid » 27 Jul 2013, 10:44

Got nothing on my Debden Shuffle.
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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by The Orange One » 27 Jul 2013, 10:59

Nah, clearly this is what you've got to do:

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Re: Croxley go-ahead

Post by tractakid » 27 Jul 2013, 11:09

No you're wrong. You don't consider Regent's Park at all in your route planning.
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